Gerrymandering Canada

[Hatman 🍁]

Jew voting in strange.

In 2008, in Outremont, Jews voted liberal, except Orthodox Jews which voted for the NDP.

What???

Was that as common in Toronto as Montreal?

Yes, actually.  *cough* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._B._Salsberg

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Was that as common in Toronto as Montreal?

Yes, in the late 40s and early 50s there were two Communist members of the Ontario legislature representing what is roughly now the federal riding of Trinity-Spadina. In those days that was the Jewish area of Toronto.

Only one of the MPPs were Jewish though (the one I linked to)

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I have the impression that Jews in Canada are overall wealthier than Jews in the US. Canada, unlike the US, never had the waves of low-income Jewish immigration from Germany in the interbellum period or immediately after WWII or Russia during/after the Cold War, mainly because Canada doesn't have a city like New York City, where Jews are an enormous segment of the population and have been for a long time.

Maybe not to the degree of the US, but we did see that immigration in Montreal and Toronto, and those Jews were quite left wing. As mentioned, they elected some communists to all levels of government.

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Makes no sense to look at things in isolation. Liberal support has collapsed amongst pretty much all 'immigrant' communities over the past couple of elections, especially further out into the suburbs. Which is extremely significant as such communities have been one of their main electoral bulwarks since the 1950s and after Trudeau became their main source of strength. The process has been more extreme with Jewish voters though; of course the Tories have been wooing them in a serious way for longer than other minorities and, also, they're a more affluent group overall. Suspect that Israel is a factor for some (especially the more mainstream Orthodox) but generally issues like that are overrated.

The Jewish vote change in recent years has been striking, a lot more than any other immigrant group.

Integration matters here, I suppose. Basically not ethnic whites/ "an immigrant group" anymore. When they very much used to be.

Kind of like Italians. Another group that has started to vote Tory (look at Vaughan)

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Ok, time for another gerrymandered map. This time my mission was to get the NDP a seat using Moncton and Saint John,

I present to you this:

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I'm not sure how accurate the "PCs won Jews in 2007 because of religious schools" thing is. I can understand Orthodox liking it, but would secular/liberal Jews like it?

You explain it then.

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I saw those on rabble. Good stuff (I had mentioned my criticisms about riding names there).

However, this thread is about gerrymandering Clearly your districts are too sane to be called that!

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You mean, it'd need the kinds of ridings that'd make, say, Oak Ridges-Markham look rational...

I know the riding looks weird, but is it's not a gerrymander, is it?

There are a few weird ridings that Krago made, like Lincoln and that Conestoga riding. I also don't like his Essex NW (don't like the name of it either, but can't think of anything better)

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Also, Conestoga-Brant... thats rediculous looking, i just don't see that one being a realistic (i know this is not the right thread for realistic anyway) riding.

Did you see Lincoln? It's much worse.

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Halton look a lot better. Waterloo as well. I don't like the Brant/Hamilton set up however.  I understand the limitations of course.

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Durham looks good there.