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« on: March 09, 2016, 12:53:51 AM »

Michigan: the latest in a line of Ford '76 - Sanders '16 states. ;-)
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« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2016, 03:48:44 PM »
« Edited: March 09, 2016, 04:22:29 PM by mathstatman »

A few things happened in MI:

(1) Lots of crossover voting. Last night was Feb. 22, 2000; Hillary Clinton was George W. Bush; and Bernie Sanders was John McCain. Sanders upset Clinton in an open primary just as McCain had upset Bush 16 years earlier. Sanders did well in many traditionally GOP areas, getting 59% in fast-growing Livingston Co., 57% in Hillsdale Co. (seat of the college with the same name), and 64% in heavily GOP, Christian-Reformed Ottawa Co.  Sanders also did well in university counties such as Washtenaw, Ingham, Calhoun, and Kalamazoo.

(2) Youth enthusiasm. Almost to a girl, every young voter I know went to Sanders, and were very enthusiastic about their choice.

(3) Early voting. Trump may have won with 37%, but that means 63% wanted someone else. I believe much of Trump's votes were cast early, before some of the more recent debate performances. Also, the 63% voted at different times as well: there were times Rubio, Cruz, and Kasich all seemed to be surging. Had these 63% coalesced around one candidate, they could have beaten Trump.
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« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2016, 04:02:06 PM »

No freaking clue. The question is, is this a sign of a greater trend or is this isolated to MI? I imagine Sanders will now win OH, MO and make it close in IL. He will carry this fight to the convention. There will be no early healing or no dropout on March 16. This is the worst possible scenario for Clinton at this point in the game.


It could happen in any state with an open primary.
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« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2016, 10:55:18 PM »

I've seen a lot of theories floated. Most likely it's a combination of multiple factors:

1) She was never up 20+. Those polls were junk. She may have been up in the low double digits like Monmouth showed, or perhaps they were a bit off too and it was actually high single digits. In addition, no polls besides junky Mitchell were out in the field late, which was a similar problem that happened in Iowa this year. Polls were also wonky because there hasn't been a competitive Michigan primary in a long time, so they were unsure how to model it.

2) Bernie outspending her paid off.

3) Hillary supporters got complacent, and either decided to stay home or cross over to vote in the Republican primary because she already had it "locked up."

4) Bernie got a debate bump. Most people didn't think it would make much of a difference, but perhaps the voters thought differently. The trade portions in particular may have hurt Hillary.

5) Youth and independent turnout was much larger than expected.

Likely some or all of these conspired together to create the perfect storm.
3 and 5. As for 5, an unusually high 11% of MI Dem voters were under 25, as opposed to only 6% of MI GOP voters. The under 25 Dems went for Sanders 85-15. If their proportion of the total was 6% rather than 11%, Clinton would have won.

As for 3, take Huntington Woods, a middle-class, extremely highly educated, liberal-leaning suburb of Detroit. Fully 33% of Tuesday's vote was cast on the GOP side, which is a higher fraction than the GOP has won in a GE since 1988. Kasich won a whopping 58%, while on the Dem side Clinton won just 51-47, even though the community is a natural fit for Clinton. I take it a few hundred Clinton supporters crossed over to vote Kasich, to try to stop Trump.
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« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2016, 09:13:05 AM »

A Democrat wins the South, loses MI while getting 60% in Wayne Co and 73% in Detroit.... WHAT YEAR IS IT?Huh?
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