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« on: February 25, 2016, 06:07:03 PM »

At this point, none of us know for sure who the D and R nominees will be, nor who the VP nominees will be, nor whether there will be any significant independent candidacies.

But it seems reasonable to predict at this point that the election will be Clinton v. Trump. Due to the polarized feelings most voters have toward these two candidates, any independent candidacy will have an uphill climb (in my opinion).

Will 2016 essentially be a copy of 2012, perhaps with FL flipping, and no other changes? Can we expect any state swings that are way out of line with the national norm?
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« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2016, 06:11:15 PM »

If it's Clinton vs. Trump after an Obama vs. Romney election, Utah will swing hard to the Dems. Nowhere near enough to flip it, but probably at least 15 if not 20 points (in terms of margin of victory).
Did Trump say something about the LDS church? Might there be ripple effects in ID and WY?
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« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2016, 06:29:03 PM »
« Edited: February 25, 2016, 06:39:30 PM by mathstatman »

If it's Clinton vs. Trump after an Obama vs. Romney election, Utah will swing hard to the Dems. Nowhere near enough to flip it, but probably at least 15 if not 20 points (in terms of margin of victory).
Did Trump say something about the LDS church? Might there be ripple effects in ID and WY?

It's not so much what Trump has said about the LDS Church, but what they've said about them. The LDC Church has made it clear that they are not getting behind Trump as a candidate, and as a result, Trump has continuously polled terribly in both general election matchups in the state (still winning, but usually with single digits and loads of undecideds). He gets third in most primary polls there, even while ahead everywhere else, and he still managed to lose Nevada's Mormon areas overwhelmingly even though he walked away in the rest of the state.

There are a couple explanations why, but these articles give a glimpse:
http://ldsmag.com/the-real-trouble-with-trump/
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865643612/Mormons-and-the-Trump-proposal.html?pg=all

Mostly it comes down to two things:
1) Trump is seen as not truly believing in the principle of freedom of religion, as evidenced by his "stop the Muslims" policies, and Mormons are concerned their way of life might be threatened as a result.
2) Trump is seen as an immoral person himself who promotes adultery, gambling, drinking, etc. A large reason that the Mormons have been so loyal to the Republicans over the years is specifically because the party is the one seen as more likely to denounce and quell these behaviors, rather then promote and indulge in them.
Interesting. So if ID-UT-WY vote less GOP and voters under 30 vote less Dem than in 2012 (which I believe will be the case), the electorate overall may be slightly less polarized than in 2012. That may be one good thing that comes out of the election.
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