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David S
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« on: August 30, 2004, 09:46:14 AM »
« edited: August 30, 2004, 09:47:19 AM by David S »

The following excerpt is from the Office of Management and Budget at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/danger.html
It projects huge shortfalls in the funding of Social Security  and Medicare in the  future (75 years).
Do you think Social Security and Medicare are in trouble? If so what should be done about it?



THE REAL FISCAL DANGER
The current system is financially unsustainable.  Without reform, the promise of Social Security to future retirees cannot be met without eventual resort to benefit cuts, tax increases, or massive borrowing.  The time to act is now.
Interim Report of the President’s Commission to Strengthen Social Security
August, 2001

Without meaningful reform, the long-term financial outlook for Medicare is bleak...When viewed from the perspective of the entire budget and the economy, the growth in Medicare spending will become progressively unsustainable over the longer term.
David Walker, Comptroller General of the United States
April 7, 2002

   As noted frequently in this document, the federal government appears likely to spend more than it takes in for at least the next few years.   Although the resulting deficits are manageable by any reasonable standard, they are cause for legitimate concern and attention.   But whatever judgment one reaches about the deficit of this year or even the next several years combined, these deficits are tiny compared to the far larger built-in deficits that will be generated by structural problems in our largest entitlement programs.  Social Security and Medicare combine to provide financial support to 39 million seniors—14 percent of our population—and account for one-third of total federal spending.  As our population ages and health care costs continue to escalate, the costs of these programs will grow enormously, in fact, so rapidly that they will threaten to overwhelm the rest of the budget.  
   Americans have often heard that Social Security and Medicare are in deep trouble financially, and the simple reason is that the benefits promised under these programs will soon far outstrip their dedicated revenues.  Over the long term, the actuaries of the Social Security Administration project that the cost of all benefits paid to current beneficiaries and promised to future retirees exceed Social Security revenues by almost $5 trillion.  The Medicare shortfall is even worse at more than $13 trillion.

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David S
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2004, 09:59:32 AM »

Privatize social security. It's an insult in the first place--do liberals think we should be allowed to gamble even though it endangers our financial well-being, but not decide how to invest (or not invest) our own money?
What about Medicare? It appears to be the bigger problem.
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David S
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« Reply #2 on: August 30, 2004, 02:58:50 PM »

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... The constitution says "Provide for the general welfare". I base a healthcare system on that premise.
Senator-StatesRights
Though I frequently agree with your posts, I disagree on this one. The question of what was meant by the "general welfare" was discussed by the founders. This is what they had to say:
   Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated. – Thomas Jefferson
   With respect to the words "general welfare," I have always regarded them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not contemplated by its creators. – James Madison

Madison elaborates the issue further in Federalist 41 which you can find at the Library of Congress's website, if you choose. Personally though I think Jefferson's answer was short and to the point.

The enumerated powers as identified in Article 1 Section 8 include the military, the post office, the patent office, bureau of weights and measures and a few other limited duties.
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David S
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« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2004, 02:10:47 PM »

I don't even see the point to making them optional. Just honor all the payments people have already made, and future generations can do what they want.
The hiccup with trying to end or privatize these programs is the way they are funded. Today's workers fund today's retirees. So when the current generation of workers retires they expect to get something back for all that they have paid in. But their money is already spend so the government has to get it from the next generation of workers. Its a Ponzi scheme and its very difficult to break the cycle without some people getting badly hurt.
By the way, the real Ponzi went to jail for his "creative financing" plan.
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David S
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2004, 05:45:36 PM »

Alright, I changed my mind.

Make that 'let our grandkids fix it.'
I didn't mean to discourage you, just wanted to point out that its not a simple problem. Smiley
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David S
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« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2004, 06:09:31 PM »

I am torn between Option 1 and Option 4.
Option 4 says there is no problem. Does that mean the Office of Business and Management is just a bunch of radical fundamentalist extremist accountants? Wink
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