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H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY
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« on: October 20, 2022, 09:31:50 AM »

It seems that the most fit for the job (skills, smarts, ethics, diplomacy and presentation), are sensible enough to not want the job, leaving only the most unappetizing leftovers, e.g., this seemingly empty suit:

"People who have worked with Ms. Mordaunt describe her as charming and sincere but not interested in the complexities of policy. She also has little economic experience, just as Britain is striving to maintain economic credibility."

Why would one get into politics while not interested in policy? Odd that.

money and power?
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« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2022, 11:00:32 AM »

The Times reckons the 1922 will set a 100 nomination threshold - so max of three candidates, likely excluding Boris unless the entire ERG backs him.

Would also mean a maximum of 3 candidates (quite possibly only 1 or 2) - meaning the odds of a deal being struck (Mordaunt-Sunak, or equivalent) probably go way up.

I’ve been switching between here and r/ukpolitics all morning and it turns out it’s all the same comments! Wink
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« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2022, 11:09:11 AM »

The Times reckons the 1922 will set a 100 nomination threshold - so max of three candidates, likely excluding Boris unless the entire ERG backs him.

Would also mean a maximum of 3 candidates (quite possibly only 1 or 2) - meaning the odds of a deal being struck (Mordaunt-Sunak, or equivalent) probably go way up.

I’ve been switching between here and r/ukpolitics all morning and it turns out it’s all the same comments! Wink
Sometimes it's nice to take the temperature of both forums on a post - lurk long enough over there and you'll run into several Atlas exiles...

There and on r/jeopardy (hi brucejoel).
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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2022, 11:35:13 AM »

100 nominees threshold seems confirmed by Brady.
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2022, 11:43:32 AM »



I wonder what the gap will be between the election of the leader and the changeover of PMs. Can't imagine that they will want to hang around, even until the next day.


Truss was installed the next day. This one might be immediate.
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2022, 04:03:02 PM »
« Edited: October 20, 2022, 04:21:49 PM by H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY »

According to my brief research, no Prime Minister has ever served in separate governments (or whatever the British call non-consecutive terms) under different monarchs. Of the nine who have served under multiple monarchs, all of them did so due to the death (or, for Stanley Baldwin, abdication) of the reigning monarch during their government.

(That is to say, no one has ever become Prime Minister under two different monarchs.)

EDIT: fun fact ruined, Robert Peel served about five months under William IV and then under Victoria.
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2022, 04:10:49 PM »

According to my brief research, no Prime Minister has ever served in separate governments (or whatever the British call non-consecutive terms) under different monarchs.

And in a single Parliament, no less.

And in less than two months. It truly is serendipitous (as pointed out by the thread in IGD) that the longest-reigning monarch briefly overlapped with the shortest-serving PM.
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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2022, 09:23:00 AM »

So... how are "they" going to prevent this from going to a Members vote if only Sunak and Johnson are perceived as serious contenders? And how embarrassing will it be when the MP vote is, say, Sunak 215, Johnson 103 and then Johnson wins on the Members vote?

I think they have to prevent Boris getting to 100 MPs. I can’t see him standing down after an indicative vote.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2022, 08:00:44 AM »

Mordaunt drops out:

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