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« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2022, 04:51:53 PM »

Australian media have, just now, accidentally leaked one of the secret documents seized by FBI agents last week from Mar-a-Lago.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1o0kzFl5D2rM4UUIgvU6-_HHk_eeuB_-r/view?usp=sharing



Wow. I don’t see how he can come back from this.
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« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2022, 07:24:26 PM »



Seems like the passports didn’t end up being anything. They were swept up in the raid and then returned.
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« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2022, 08:21:47 PM »



This kind of goes without saying but literally anything Trump says should not be taken at face value without independent corrobation.

What on Earth is going on?
Were the passports taken during the raid or not? It can't be yes and no at the same time.
If this is trump just making sh*t-up, then it's so pathetic, and I hope the Orange Clown gets thrown in jail (when this entire thing is over).

They were taken and then returned.

Is that what it is?
Because the Norah O'Donnell tweet makes it sound like the FBI did not have possession of the passports at any time (as if they were never taken).

Jay Bratt email to Trump team said that they’d taken and returned them.
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« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2022, 06:55:27 PM »

Redacted warrant application was unsealed, including specific descriptions of the offenses Trump is accused of having committed:

-Willful retention of national defense information (bolstering the theory that the documents were nuclear weapons)
-Concealment or removal of government records
-Obstruction of federal investigation
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« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2022, 07:32:08 PM »

Redacted warrant application was unsealed, including specific descriptions of the offenses Trump is accused of having committed:

-Willful retention of national defense information (bolstering the theory that the documents were nuclear weapons)
-Concealment or removal of government records
-Obstruction of federal investigation

Link?

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854/gov.uscourts.flsd.617854.57.0_1.pdf
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« Reply #30 on: August 19, 2022, 02:15:04 PM »

Giuliani looks physically unwell. Seems like his impending indictment in Georgia is taking a toll on him.
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« Reply #31 on: August 23, 2022, 02:54:17 PM »

I'll predict that this one will lead to Trump being indicted, although not before the end of this year.  This is a straightforward crime that the government routinely prosecutes successfully, and the information that has come out so far looks extremely damning for Trump.

Yeah, they can’t really unring the bell now. His house was raided by the FBI and Garland said he personally approved it on national TV. They can’t exactly back down unless they for whatever reason think they don’t have evidence.
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« Reply #32 on: August 23, 2022, 04:17:43 PM »

I'll predict that this one will lead to Trump being indicted, although not before the end of this year.  This is a straightforward crime that the government routinely prosecutes successfully, and the information that has come out so far looks extremely damning for Trump.

Would you make that prediction if the docs stamped security sensitive are just not that shocking  to the conscience for Trump to have? In reality, I think that if all Trump has that he should not have, prosecuting him while technically valid, might be viewed as an abuse of prosecutorial discretion, particularly against a POTUS, and I have read that well outside Trump world sources. I say that as one who thinks the issuance of the warrant was justified. It all depends on what is found.

I certainly hope for our country, and indeed the world, that Garland has the requisite goods now.

The whole thing is just crazy and surreal. That is what Trump has wrought.

What do you think of the reports that he had nuclear weapons-level documents?
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« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2022, 12:24:27 PM »

DoJ has submitted a redacted affidavit to Judge Reinhardt, who will now decide whether or not to release it.
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« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2022, 09:18:42 PM »

DoJ has submitted a redacted affidavit to Judge Reinhardt, who will now decide whether or not to release it.

Hopefully people mentioned within the affidavit will be shielded like his Overwatch counterpart does for his allies.

Yes, that was nothing more than a forced Overwatch joke. I have no shame in that.

It’s even more forced because it turns out I misspelled his name.
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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2022, 10:45:19 AM »

I think the governor is Kristi Noem.
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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2022, 05:03:55 PM »


When this is the new talking point, it's pretty obvious where they think it's going.

“The Democrats may decide they prefer a wounded Trump with an indictment hanging over his head to an indicted defendant.” More projection from the Republicans, conflating enforcing the law with their own political goals.
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« Reply #37 on: September 05, 2022, 12:05:11 PM »

DOJ can appeal this. Trump got lucky in the judge who got picked for this, which is what he was going for by filing there.

The appeal is to the 11th Circuit though, if I’m not mistaken. Second only to the 5th in conservatism.
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« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2022, 07:35:51 PM »

Lmao can you imagine if that nation was Israel?
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« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2022, 08:06:57 PM »

I've previously predicted Trump would be indicted from this scandal, but I think this removes any possible doubt of it.

The question is - how would they show the jury these documents? Or would they just have to have these FBI agents testify about them obliquely and have the jury take them at their word? I don’t think Garland would want to risk an eventual acquittal.
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« Reply #40 on: September 07, 2022, 06:48:53 PM »



“I don’t want to see him indicted, as a former president” = authoritarian bullsh**t.
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« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2022, 06:52:17 PM »

Ahh well. Still means Trump is likely a target now.

I mean, of course he was.
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« Reply #42 on: November 28, 2022, 05:07:21 PM »



It's been said before that Trump has the right to remain silent, but he doesn't have the capability.

If the government won’t prosecute a former president who regularly admits to committing federal crimes, the rule of law is worthless. It truly has no meaning.
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« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2022, 02:41:43 PM »

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/08/politics/doj-trump-contempt-classified-documents/index.html

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The Justice Department is asking a federal judge to hold Donald Trump in contempt of court for failing to comply with a subpoena issued this summer ordering the former president to turn over records marked classified, two sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

The development comes after Trump’s legal team said it conducted searches at four locations just before Thanksgiving, finding two documents with classified markings at a storage facility in Florida. The Trump team turned over those two documents to the FBI and announced to a federal judge in Washington, DC, that they believed Trump was now in compliance with a 6-month-old subpoena.

But the Justice Department disagreed. And in an escalation last week, department prosecutors told DC District Chief Judge Beryl Howell, who oversees federal grand jury proceedings there, that the searches weren’t satisfactory. The contempt proceedings before Howell are under seal.

Good. Hopefully he goes to jail for this too, as a little appetizer.

But that excerpt is interesting - does it mean the DoJ thinks that there are yet more documents out there?
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« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2022, 04:07:08 PM »

Update: no

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« Reply #45 on: May 31, 2023, 09:36:05 PM »



The same thing that brought down Nixon!
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« Reply #46 on: June 08, 2023, 08:57:43 PM »

The walls are closing in..

Part 3456.

Yawn.

Yawn indeed.
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« Reply #47 on: June 09, 2023, 08:45:08 AM »

I thought there would be more counts for what is considered a slam dunk case.

Also I think there will separate counts in DC.

I saw some people fretting that Smith made a mistake filing charges in Florida instead of DC.
They are afraid that a Florida jury will not convict Trump despite the evidence.

I think this is the real problem with doing it in Florida:

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« Reply #48 on: June 12, 2023, 11:13:48 AM »

Every time I look at the thread title I read it as “(Update: Trump executed!)”
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« Reply #49 on: June 12, 2023, 01:17:09 PM »

It’s honestly hilarious to see Trump freaks suddenly being very concerned for our institutions. These are people we live with every day! Real people think like this!
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