Trump 2nd Impeachment News/Talk Megathread

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Adam Kinzinger is on MSNBC calling for the 25th Amendment but says there isn't time for impeachment.

Can a president be impeached and disqualified post-presidency?

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Adam Kinzinger is on MSNBC calling for the 25th Amendment but says there isn't time for impeachment.

Can a president be impeached and disqualified post-presidency?

Don't know. I asked that in the main thread last night and no one answered. My guess is no.

Quick search says Secretary of War William Belknap resigned after impeachment proceedings had begun and was still impeached and convicted later

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Is there enough time for the process of conviction?

Most likely not while he is in office, I imagine, but he can still be convicted after he leaves.

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https://twitter.com/RepDianaDeGette/status/1347334507985309696

Good on them for including the phone call. Disgusting how the party stood by him even then.

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This is dumb. No way enough Republican senators are on board. Just wait two weeks.

Wait two days and then see how many of them are willing to let him stay.

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Are Omar’s and Lieu’s different timelines based on what I hear are two impeachment resolutions going around separately (one from Cicilline about the coup itself and one from Omar apparently about the Raffensperger phone call)? If so, why not just consolidate them and impeach him under two articles like last time?

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Political nerds salivate at the thought of a teeny-tiny Pence term. "The shortest Presidential term in history, don't you know!" Look at him, all nestled in between Trump and Biden on that Wikipedia list of presidents! Mike Pence, 46th POTUS, in office for, what was it, nine days? Does he get a Presidential library? Does he 'join the club'? Out of office, does Pence serve as a sort of stand-in for the four lost years under Trump, whom many would rather forget?

I must admit that this does play a role in my strong desire for immediate impeachment, plus it will be fun to watch everyone scramble to get rid of their Biden 46 merch.

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https://twitter.com/marianne_levine/status/1347536164954271746

Sounds like he (and probably others) might use the speed of the impeachment process as an excuse to vote against conviction, if he thinks they haven’t “had a process”.

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https://twitter.com/marianne_levine/status/1347536164954271746

Sounds like he (and probably others) might use the speed of the impeachment process as an excuse to vote against conviction, if he thinks they haven’t “had a process”.

If you're going to be voting to do something for the first time ever and setting precedent for all future use long after Donald Trump and everyone else is dead, it's not the dumbest thing in the world to step back, read, consider, and deliberate. Anyone that says there's nothing to consider is incredibly short-sighted in the background of history and the potential of the future.

I fully agree; I just think it will reduce the likelihood that he is actually convicted.

Wait, this is actually happening? I think Dems should only proceed if the votes in the senate are there.

If so, Biden would be the 47th prez and Pence have a shorter presidency than Harrison, lol. It's also kind of ironic that I, along with some others in this forum, predicted a 2nd impeachment if Mr. Trump is reelected. Now he managed to do this in a single term.

They should do it no matter what. He can’t be allowed to get away with this.

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I am not sure it is worth going through all of this, assuming that there is some understanding that if Trump goes nutter again as to taking some illegal action, that Pence has the mechanisms in place to instantly invoke the 25th amendment, so I am a no vote on this at present. But I don't know enough to be an informed vote, so call it a tentative no from me.

Why do you have that understanding? Shouldn’t we have had this understanding for years? The 25th Amendment is clearly not going to be invoked. Impeachment is the only consequence Congress can enact at this point.

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Graham didn't have his finger on the pulse very well on how people were voting in the first impeachment, and probably doesn't this time either.

However, I thought Graham was a potential Yes vote, so still a little disheartening.

Graham is a potential vote. He has a record of reversing his positions without even blinking an eye.

Note he's not saying he's against it, he says it will be 'unsuccessful'.

Also note, during the certification vote, he called Trump 'consequential'. Which isn't a compliment.

He said it would be “dangerous”. He’s going to vote against it.

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https://twitter.com/RepAdamSchiff/status/1347552672346382336?s=19
Good. Schiff is on the board

I don’t see how all Democrats aren’t on board, if only in private as of yet. The only one still in the House and in the party who didn’t vote for both articles last time is Golden; I can’t imagine any of them will vote against it this time.

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https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/1347524201549242372

He’ll only do so if the scenario gets Nixon-esque and the bulk of his party clearly abandons him.

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Politico reports that Dems expect at least Kissinger to vote for impeachment.

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Politico reports that Dems expect at least Kissinger to vote for impeachment.

Kinzinger?

Yes lol. The article referred to him as (D-Ill.) and I thought “well I’ll certainly do better than those writers”. Defeated once again by my own hubris.

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https://twitter.com/sarahnferris/status/1347604326525644801?s=19

The new president just came out in support of impeachment.

When/where was this?

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https://twitter.com/sarahnferris/status/1347604326525644801?s=19

The new president just came out in support of impeachment.

When/where was this?

Literally the tweet right above the one I quoted?

Ah, never mind. Thanks.

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https://twitter.com/bensiegel/status/1347611132727586816?s=19

We really need primary him. And if he does vote against impeachment, Pelosi must immediately kick him off all committees

Can the party caucus expel him? Why support impeachment over Ukraine but not this?

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https://twitter.com/funder/status/1347641871158415361

what did the tweet say?

“ House Judiciary Dems to introduce impeachment articles as early as Monday, with one count of “incitement of insurrection.” Also with a ban on trump ever running again. Trump could be impeached on Tuesday or Wednesday. This is via CNN sources.”

This is what CNN is saying as well.

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Dam, meet break:

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1347659128165040128

Hopefully this translates into her actually voting to convict and not some mealy-mouthed statement about timing and process.

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https://mobile.twitter.com/mkraju/status/1348002850622869505?s=12

Kinzinger, Mace? Fitzpatrick?

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https://twitter.com/WakeUp2Politics/status/1348018349075267591

Trying to hedge his bets about house dems “politicizing” it and saying “I don’t know what’s gonna land on the senate floor” when there are consensus articles (or rather an article) circulating already?

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If it's true that the public office ban in an impeachment case can be accomplished by a simple majority, that might actually have serious legs. Although then we're probably stuck in 2024 with Don Jr. or Ivanka pulling the Lurleen Wallace move.

I’m thinking so as well, but I’m also wondering if he can be barred without having been convicted.

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House Republicans Ask Biden: Get Pelosi to Back Off Impeachment

A group of House Republicans who voted to accept President-elect Joe Biden’s Electoral College victory asked him to persuade Speaker Nancy Pelosi to back off impeaching Donald Trump for instigating Wednesday’s riot at the U.S. Capitol.

The lawmakers, led by Representative Ken Buck of Colorado, warned in a letter to Biden on Saturday that Trump’s impeachment would inflame his supporters anew, and damage Biden’s efforts to unify the country.

“In the spirit of healing and fidelity to our Constitution, we ask that you formally request that Speaker Nancy Pelosi discontinue her efforts to impeach President Donald J. Trump a second time,” they wrot

Cowards.

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Schrader is back to yes. https://mobile.twitter.com/RepSchrader/status/1348058289003659264