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H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY
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« on: May 29, 2014, 08:01:33 PM »

As I'm thinking right now about foreign policy, for me the questions are, why us, and why this situation? I don't see it, presently, aside from the corruption problems and the nature of who we'd be supporting, as noted by others.

Why not us? It's always nice to save a democratic country from Novorossiyism.
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Alfred F. Jones
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2014, 02:22:25 PM »

Why is it our job to help the Ukrainian government? Why can't we just mind our own business and focus on the real issues we have at home? (an economy dominated by non-working parasites)

We don't have to play world police, and we shouldn't. Senator Lumine's drive to transform Atlasia into a global policeman is backwards and insane. We've seen how that works out in real life. Let's bring all the troops home and send them to Wall Street, where they're actually needed.

If we don't police the world, who will? Who will stick up for the defenseless? Why can't we tackle multiple issues at once? Why can't we use normal police on Wall Street instead of soldiers? Are soldiers even qualified to make arrests?
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« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2014, 04:50:51 PM »

I appreciate the conversation, and truth be told, I am deeply in favor of capitalism, but honestly I probably agree more with Senator TNF on what our foreign policy should be. What makes this part of our business? We already have a lot of issues we need to look at.

Business? We've a comprehensive ocean of business, and I'll be damned if helping the free peoples of the world keep out of the clutches of tyranny isn't somewhere in that ocean!
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2014, 10:43:16 AM »

Ukraine isn't controlled by neo-Nazis.
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2014, 02:30:54 PM »

What an objective source without any possible ulterior motives.

Says the man who praises Venezuela and uses government sources to base such undeserved praise. I'm not a fan of ad-hominem attacks, but the irony here is quite noteworthy.

Venezuela is an actual democracy, unlike Neo-Nazi-Neoliberal Ukraine.

Nope. Not true.

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« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2014, 02:36:11 PM »

Citing 'Forbes' and 'Freedomhouse' doesn't really make your argument any more founded, given that those are organizations that want to see the Bolivarian Revolution fail.

Are your sources any better? And why do you say that Freedom House doesn't support the Bolivarian Revolution?
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« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2014, 02:43:04 PM »

Citing 'Forbes' and 'Freedomhouse' doesn't really make your argument any more founded, given that those are organizations that want to see the Bolivarian Revolution fail.

Are your sources any better? And why do you say that Freedom House doesn't support the Bolivarian Revolution?

Because it's a tool of American imperialism, and has been since it's founding during the Cold War.

Are you hating on Eleanor Roosevelt?
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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2014, 04:53:33 PM »

I agree with Sen. Lumine's statement - it's great that we're kicking Svoboda and Co. out of government, but we shouldn't be cutting aid to their military. Would introducing a competing amendment be considered proper Senatorial procedure or can we do one of those amendment split things?
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2014, 09:50:00 AM »

I feel that the aid we're cutting can be best spent at home.

I suppose that is something on which we'll have to differ.
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2014, 10:02:45 PM »

Nay.
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« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2014, 03:04:00 PM »

I'd be fine with banning the Right Sector and all that jazz, but I don't want to cut the military aid or reduce the overall package. Perhaps I shall introduce an amendment to that effect in the future...
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« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2014, 07:58:05 PM »

Nay.
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« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2014, 05:59:53 PM »

Nay.
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« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2014, 08:02:37 PM »

Nay.
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« Reply #14 on: July 04, 2014, 07:31:38 PM »

I thank the Vice President for executing the duties of his office faithfully and standing on the side of justice for the people of Ukraine Smiley.
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« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2014, 08:30:18 PM »

I like Shua's amendment. I don't think I'll be voting for this at any rate (it conflicts with my anti-imperialist principles) but I do support watering it down as much as possible, given that the author of this bill would be just fine with sending Atlasian soldiers to die in defense of the Ukrainian regime.

That's not what the bill is, Senator, and you know it. You're better than this.
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« Reply #16 on: July 12, 2014, 09:54:02 AM »

I was told there was a vote now, but there is none. I suppose I'll just state my opposition to tactics like those of a certain colleague.
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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2014, 11:35:32 AM »

Nay.
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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2014, 08:57:46 PM »

Can someone explain the isseus with the top paragraph, I don't recall seeing them articulated.

Sen. TNF has what some might call a hate-boner for the current Ukrainian government, it seems.
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« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2014, 05:16:43 PM »

After this can we please please have a final vote?
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2014, 10:16:00 PM »

Aye.
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2014, 05:37:20 PM »

Aye.
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