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AkSaber
Junior Chimp
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« on: April 10, 2013, 03:40:06 PM »

It's a step in the right direction.  There is no legitimate reason to oppose this deal.  Background checks are a common sense way (and the only way) to enforce the laws on the books.

So you think the black market types will obey this law?
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AkSaber
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2013, 03:44:06 PM »

No - of course not.  I never said it would solve all gun violence problems.  But that doesn't make this a bad law.  Just because a law doesn't solve every problem doesn't mean you shouldn't pass it.  Will voter ID laws stop all voter fraud?  Of course not--but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have them.

And just because a law is a feel good response to nanny-staters doesn't mean it's a good idea, or it'll work.
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AkSaber
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2013, 03:51:35 PM »

If this is about preventing violence, then why is Obama getting a free pass to do whatever he wants.

Who knows how many innocent people he's murdered in the Middle East with completely unnecessary drone strikes.
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AkSaber
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2013, 04:15:09 PM »

Gun extremists love argumentation by label. Will "black market" types obey the law? With the definition of "black market" being a market outside the law. Hence the argument really comes down to "people who don't obey the law, won't obey the law." This is hardly even a coherent thought, let alone the decisive argument against life-saving laws.
It won't stop the illegal firearms market. It's just easier and less dangerous to leave criminals alone and go after those who willingly submit to the government.

That's a discussion we could certainly have, but irrelevant to the issue of reducing domestic gun violence.
I don't disagree. I just roll my eyes everytime Obama or Boehner weep in front of a camera yet casually end or maim the lives of the innocent.

It's a step in the right direction.  There is no legitimate reason to oppose this deal.  Background checks are a common sense way (and the only way) to enforce the laws on the books.

So you think the black market types will obey this law?

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/loaded-question


If this is about preventing violence, then why is Obama getting a free pass to do whatever he wants.

Who knows how many innocent people he's murdered in the Middle East with completely unnecessary drone strikes.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque
Don't you find it strange to be lectured about violence by people who hold no regard for what consequences their actions take?

Then explain to me why it's a bad idea.  Do felons try to buy guns through "legitimate" means (non-black market)?  Yes.  Would requiring background checks reduce the amount of guns that felons get?  Yes.

Will it end gun violence?  No; of course not.  But that's not what I'm arguing.

I'm saying that we have laws on the books that say felons can't own firearms.  This is the best way to ensure that felons don't get firearms, other than random searches of felons, which I'm guessing wouldn't fly with SCOTUS.
Preventing violence doesn't start with shifting more power to the government. There was a time, before the National Firearms Act of 1934, when you could walk into a hardware store and walk out with a Thompson submachine gun. The country didn't shoot itself to death then. So what happened between then and now? More gun laws and increased violence.

It's not the weapons. The character of the people has changed.
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