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traininthedistance
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« on: February 04, 2014, 11:57:07 AM »

I'm not a fan of Hillary.  She does need to answer for her conduct in the 2008 campaign and assure us that it will not be repeated.

But, that one issue aside, I am less a fan of the hyperbolic attacks being lobbed at her from the wingnuts and True Leftists and conspiracists of all stripes.  And, yes, that includes centrist detractors as well- case in point being that recent, awfully misogynistic, TIME cover.

Eh, she's better than Cuomo and that's all we can realistically hope for these days.  Lean FF.
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« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2014, 01:26:04 PM »

How on earth is that cover misogynistic?

Wait, really?  You're joking, right?  Even you can't be that blinded by Hillary-hatred to see the obvious symbolism, no?

Please tell me you're joking.
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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2014, 02:12:43 PM »


Yeah, that's more or less the shape of it.

There are plenty of ways to criticize Clinton without being anti-woman, and definitely many of her defenders have taken it too far.  But, Jesus f**k, picturing her as a giant stiletto stomping on a tiny emasculated man is not the way to go.  That's pretty much Respect 101 goddamit.
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« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2014, 02:15:51 PM »


I stopped reading after this

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I mean for Christ's sake you don't even need to do any research to see how dumb this criticism is



Maybe if you bothered to actually do the research with an open mind you'd realize that it's not as obviously dumb as you assume.  But the central point of the article's criticism stands even if you don't accept that particular assertion.
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2014, 02:28:28 PM »

I guess I'm missing some kind of brain wiring or something because I have no idea what that article is talking about or how the cover is misogynistic at all. If the frontrunner was a man polling at similarly unstoppable levels they could easily have done cover with the only difference being it'd be a man's shoe...? The purpose of the artwork is to depict Clinton as a political colossus towering over insignificant opposition. If you want to complain about sexism toward Hillary Clinton there's plenty of valid points you could argue (some of the reaction towards her crying that one time in 2008 etc.) without resorting to this kind of hysteria.

As regards the above point, Hillary Clinton's been branding herself as "Hillary" ever since her 2000 Senate run. I don't notice Elizabeth Warren being referred to as simply "Liz" or whatever in the media, for example.


I do actually agree that the quoted point is one of the weaker bits in the article.  I'm just not ready to ignore all the other points because this one is somewhat shaky.

I don't think that all opposition to Hillary is sexist, or even necessarily most of it.  I'm just saying this particular article was framed in a sexist manner; it was something I picked up on entirely on my own, without any prodding from other corners of the Internet; so it's something I would expect many other folks to pick up on as well.
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