Actual worst trait of forum Democrats

[traininthedistance]

Prudishness - less annoying than the corresponding right-wing tendency to whine about "political correctness"
Oversensitivity - not limited to forum Democrats... not even close
Elitism - something something Hegel blah blah blah (point scored!... but I'll confess that I prefer it this way)
Hatred of Southerners - the only poster here who legitimately hates Southerners (to the point where it verges on bigotry) is a Republican
Tendency to take right-wing positions on economic issues - not actually much of a problem on the forum, although I don't think it's always been this way... I can only think of a couple of prominent forum Democrats who match this description
Slacktivisim - it's the internet (duh)

This.

There's only one other thing I'd like to add, and it's a question to those of you who complain about "prudishness"/the so-called "prude brood": do you consider Kitteh and/or 20RP12 to be "prudes"? 

[traininthedistance]

Drj isn't a prude at all. He's one of the least prudish posters. She doesn't treat women as children and often makes comments and start threads that are quite explicit.

(fixed a couple bad tags)

Well, yes, that is exactly my point.  Do you now see how nonsensical and inappropriate the "prude" label is, as it is used on Atlas?

[traininthedistance]

Drj isn't a prude at all. He's one of the least prudish posters. She doesn't treat women as children and often makes comments and start threads that are quite explicit.

(fixed a couple bad tags)

Well, yes, that is exactly my point.  Do you now see how nonsensical and inappropriate the "prude" label is, as it is used on Atlas?

Thanks for fixing my tags. Posting from my phone sucks. There is indeed a prude  brood. That dj is not on the team doesn't mean the team doesn't exist. A trans identity is not in any way a basis of membership on the team. Why would you think that it is? If you don't why would you pick him as an example?

Define "prude brood" then.  I'm now more than ever pretty confident the term is not being used in a consistent manner, to describe any sort of consistent behavior.  As far as I can tell it seems to mostly get thrown at people for the crime of talking about gender in a feminist and/or trans-positive manner-  basically, dudes who agree with drj.  

If there's actually something else going on, please explain to me in detail, as if I were an idiot.  

[traininthedistance]

It has nothing to do with trans issues at all. Really isn't about feminism either except that most brooders would identify as such. The PB sees women, by definition, as passive, disinterested victims in all situations remotely sexual. In their minds, it is a sexual assault  to suggest to any woman that she is physically attractive and desirable, no matter how respectfully and tactfully said. There is also a religious slant to Nathan's PB doctrine, where sexual feelings are not just a crime against women, but also a crime against God.

Well, I would say that this is a silly, cartoonish strawman that does not accurately describe the views of anybody on Atlas.

And, sure, there's a religiously-inspired slant to Nathan's views on sexuality, but one idiosyncratic individual does not a "prude brood" make.

[traininthedistance]

I'm not putting words in anybody's mouth. Juat giving you the Cliff's Notes version of some lengthy and silly threads. Feel free to read them in their entirety if you prefer primary documentation, but don't accuse me of musrepresenting the facts until you have.

Oh, I have read them in their entirety.  And I stand by my statement above one hundred and ten percent.

If it's any comfort, I'm willing to believe that you've been misinterpreted as well.  Divided by a common language and all that.

[traininthedistance]

I guess it was wise of me to avoid all of those gender wars threads. The Cliff Notes version I am getting, is that there was more sound and fury than substance going on in them, with folks on both sides in a "gotcha" mood. Is that inference drawn by me errant?

I would... mostly agree with that, though it's a bit too Moderate Hero to be fully correct.

I've generally taken "prude brood" to refer to the Social Justice Warriors who are experts on feminism because they read a Tumblr blog about the patriarchy through [her]story or something and spend their time getting outraged and thinking that normal social interaction constitutes oppression. Strangely there's a lot of overlap between the armchair feminist crowd and people who think biological gender doesn't exist.

20RP12's post ridiculing memphis' quotes is a good example of this. Yeah, I don't agree with Memphis on a lot of things and he can certainly crudely express his opinions but suggesting that it's not wise for women to, say, walk down a dark alley at night in a seedy part of town doesn't constitute "victim blaming", it's common sense. It's terrible that it's true but there it is.

Right, this is what I was assuming most people meant when they say "prude brood", which also happens to be why I consider it to be such a silly and inappropriate term, since just using it as a derogatory term for "social justice warrior" pretty much by definition has to mean that noted non-prude Kitteh becomes an exemplar of the breed.  

And it's not "strange" at all that the feminists would have massive overlap with the folks who make a distinction between sex (which is biological) and gender (which is social); it's in fact quite obvious and expected.  The confusion between sex and gender, and the fact that many folks think of them as the same even though they have different connotations, reminds me of nothing so much as the old chestnut that "evolution is just a theory!", which trades off confusion regarding the technical definitions of "theory"  and "law" in science.  I think that many of us are too quick to pounce on people who don't understand the distinction, and we should be taking a more patient, generous tack.  But it's also true that the distinction exists, and is vitally important to many people, and needs to be preserved and explained.

I think that 20RP12's post was rather ungenerous and hostile, and I wouldn't make it myself.  But it's- mostly- not wrong per se.

[traininthedistance]

Mr train, I appreciate your reasonable tone, but if you have mistaken the definition of Prude Brood, and it appears that you have (nobody's perfect), thay does not injure the validity of the term when properly applied. Drj isn't a member. I thought that was quite clear by now.
Also, the only thing "social constructed" about gender is that there is such a thing apart from biology. Some of us are outies. Some of us are innies (well, not here on this forum, but in the world). Same as with a great many creatures. That's all there is to it. There's no need in complicating what nature has made abundantly simple.

Well, nature is a great deal more complicated than you imagine, as a good many posters have pointed out  (C.f. studies that have demonstrated that trans folks have different brain structure than us cisgendered, which should grant substantial credence to their claims; or various chromosomal or androgen insensitivity issues).  And I'm still pretty deeply skeptical that "prude brood" is a term that is in practice ever properly applied, but whatever.

I do ultimately think that a reasonable tone is something to strive for, in the hope that it may generate more light than heat, and if that makes me a Moderate Hero weenie in the eyes of some I'm willing to risk that.  I'm sure I have not always hewed to said reasonable tone, of course.