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Indy Texas
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« on: July 16, 2016, 11:45:26 PM »

Why do you assume Trump's SCOTUS nominees will satisfy you?

Other than Scalia and Thomas, conservatives have been disappointed with pretty much every justice Republicans have nominated in recent years - O'Connor, Souter, Kennedy, Roberts...

And what is "Republican friendly legislation?" The Republican Party doesn't vote for legislation - it only votes against it.
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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2016, 05:45:26 PM »

Why do you assume Trump's SCOTUS nominees will satisfy you?

Other than Scalia and Thomas, conservatives have been disappointed with pretty much every justice Republicans have nominated in recent years - O'Connor, Souter, Kennedy, Roberts...

And what is "Republican friendly legislation?" The Republican Party doesn't vote for legislation - it only votes against it.

I would think conservatives are happy with Alito.  Other than the Obamacare decision, I have trouble seeing why conservatives would be bent out of shape about Roberts.  And Kennedy ALWAYS comes down on the "Republican side" of "political questions" (something the Court once shied away from).  Citizens United.  Bush v. Gore.  Obamacare.  When it's a GOP Flagship issue, Kennedy is right there; it's only on SOCIAL issues that Kennedy is "moderate" or "liberal". 

Ginsburg's comments on Trump last week only confirmed that the SCOTUS Justices are just as political as Congress now, and just as partisan, and this is not good.  This is a direct result of the politicization of the Judicial Nomination process, a gift to America from Richard Nixon that has kept on giving and giving.  The idea that the Supreme Court would be a deciding factor in anyone's decision as to how to vote for President is a relatively new phenomenon in our politics.

The Republican grassroots don't care about decisions on "political questions." They care about things like abortion, SSM and Obamacare. That's why so many of them now hate Roberts - they'd prefer he have ruled their way regarding Obamacare and Obergefell in exchange for voting with the liberals on everything else. Some cases are more important than others in that regard.

I cringed at Ginsburg's comments, but unfortunately, SCOTUS justices are people just like the rest of us. Clarence Thomas has admitted that he gets most of his news from talk radio and, of course, his wife is basically a political hack for conservative activist groups, so I'm sure the "pillow talk" they have at night makes a difference.

And ultimately, I blame the abortion rights people for bringing the Roe case and turning the Supreme Court into something that "ordinary" people cared about. In terms of what they accomplished, I don't think it really mattered. Most states were passing laws making abortion more available. Without Roe, you would probably have ended up with an equilibrium situation where most of the country had abortion with basically no restrictions, and the rest of the country (the South, Utah, perhaps a temperamentally conservative Catholic state like Rhode Island) had it in very limited circumstances. Abortion rights organizations could then have simply focused on providing funding for poor women who couldn't get an abortion where they lived to travel to a state where they could get one.

Instead, it's become an issue everywhere and is now such a "cultural signal" that you've got white Protestants, a group that never had any issue with birth control, aping the pre-Vatican II Catholic views on contraception simply so that they can differentiate themselves from those "baby-killing liberals."

Roe v. Wade is the only SCOTUS decision most people who can name a SCOTUS case can name. (It was the only one Sarah Palin could name in her dumpster fire Katie Couric interview that one time.)
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« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2016, 06:21:02 PM »

Platform wise I think being against Free trade and increased immigration is insane. But that is not the deal breaker with the Donald. Policy is secondary, he himself is not qualified to be commander in chief. He lacks the experience, intelligence, character, and gravitas to be our envoy to the world.

I do not understand how anyone can look past this. A person whose life achievements are: two failed marriages, owning a bunch of hotels and golf courses, and producing a trash TV show is simply not qualified to be president. It wouldn't matter if I agreed with him on every issue.

If you're for free trade and increased immigration, there is already a party out there for you - it's called the Democratic Party.

Whether or not there are merits to it, a sizeable portion of American voters do not like free trade or increased immigration, so it's not shocking that a political party would ultimately give an audience to those people.

I think the Republicans are basically damned either way as far as immigration is concerned. They say they need to champion immigration reform so they can win over Hispanic voters, but the reality is that that's going to do nothing to help them in that department. Hispanics who are already here legally and were probably born here are not going to vote for a party that is so antithetical to their economic interests and personal views. Being a pro-immigration party is just going to piss off a sizeable chunk of the GOP's white voter base. Being an anti-immigration party at least allows them to maintain the coalition they have.

A case could be made that the GOP is now just a depraved perpetual-motion rage machine with an "anti-establishment wing" that stokes the fury of the white working class and an "establishment wing" that pursues economic policies that make those voters worse off and more receptive to the anti-establishment wing.
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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2016, 12:14:23 AM »

#NeverTrump Republicans should just become Democrats. The reason Trump won the nomination is because most Republican voters agree with the things he says.

Even when Trump loses in November, it's not like those Trump voters are going back into the closet. They're empowered now. They'll nominate Trump again in 2020, or someone like him. The days of McCain/Romney-type nominees are over.
No way. The Democrats support too many government programs. I was just thinking about this today on that there used to be Democrats(mainly Southern Dems(Charles Melancon(D-LA) that supported both government and free market as answers to economic problems. Today those Democrats don't exist as they think government is the solution to every problem.

I like some of Trump's ideas or thoughts like 1.) Getting Tough on China, 2.) Super Pacs are stupid, and 3.) stop making horrible trade deals. I could vote for a guy like that but his statement about Mexicans is insulting. Its like Goldwater in 1964 in that Trump's packaging of himself as a candiate is horrible but in 1980 with Reagan the packaging is right on running basically on Goldwater's platform.

Oh for Christ's sake, are you really that stupid?

What are the "too many government programs" that you are referring to?

You're probably one of those people who thinks half the country is literally just sitting at home getting the government to pay all their bills.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2016, 12:15:41 AM »

Platform wise I think being against Free trade and increased immigration is insane. But that is not the deal breaker with the Donald. Policy is secondary, he himself is not qualified to be commander in chief. He lacks the experience, intelligence, character, and gravitas to be our envoy to the world.

I do not understand how anyone can look past this. A person whose life achievements are: two failed marriages, owning a bunch of hotels and golf courses, and producing a trash TV show is simply not qualified to be president. It wouldn't matter if I agreed with him on every issue.

If you're for free trade and increased immigration, there is already a party out there for you - it's called the Democratic Party.

Whether or not there are merits to it, a sizeable portion of American voters do not like free trade or increased immigration, so it's not shocking that a political party would ultimately give an audience to those people.

I think the Republicans are basically damned either way as far as immigration is concerned. They say they need to champion immigration reform so they can win over Hispanic voters, but the reality is that that's going to do nothing to help them in that department. Hispanics who are already here legally and were probably born here are not going to vote for a party that is so antithetical to their economic interests and personal views. Being a pro-immigration party is just going to piss off a sizeable chunk of the GOP's white voter base. Being an anti-immigration party at least allows them to maintain the coalition they have.

A case could be made that the GOP is now just a depraved perpetual-motion rage machine with an "anti-establishment wing" that stokes the fury of the white working class and an "establishment wing" that pursues economic policies that make those voters worse off and more receptive to the anti-establishment wing.

We're talking about the same Democratic Party whose Congressional caucus literally blocked TPP (against overwhelming GOP support) and just had both of its primary candidates arguing about who was more anti-trade, right?

You do realize that supporting free trade does not mean supporting any and all free trade agreements, no?
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