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WhyteRain
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« on: June 11, 2012, 01:16:23 PM »
« edited: June 15, 2012, 09:34:06 PM by Mr. Morden »

I already answered this question nearly TWO years ago:

This comment at Salon.com, dated 07/15/2011 and quoting comment dated 07/29/2010 to an article by former Labor Sec. Robert Reich and directed to him:

I already answered this question a YEAR ago

Robert, pay attention this time:

"Can Obama pull a Clinton on the GOP?"

    When the GOP wins big this November, Obama, unlike a WASP Southerner like Bill Clinton, cannot "triangulate" against the leftwing of his party, because he inescapably embodies the leftwing of his party. (emphasis in original)

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WhyteRain
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2012, 01:27:16 PM »

Every Democratic incumbent (in fact, every embattled incumbent) should look to the campaign of one Harry S. Truman.

The MSM has forced the GOP to nominate another Tom Dewey, so that part is already in place.  Even the names are similar:  Mitt Romney, Tom Dewey.  I've said for years that in 2012 Obama can only beat a GOP liberal, and I think the MSM realized that, too.
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WhyteRain
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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2012, 05:23:28 PM »

Every Democratic incumbent (in fact, every embattled incumbent) should look to the campaign of one Harry S. Truman.

Thanks for this interesting map -- but what can it mean?  Surely it can't mean tenants in some places have to work 88 hours a week to afford an apartment.
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WhyteRain
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 07:25:44 AM »
« Edited: June 12, 2012, 07:28:58 AM by WhyteRain »

Either way, the government has sat on their hands for years and done nothing about it.

If you're referring to high housing costs, I absolutely agree. Globally, probably trillions of dollars are extracted every year by private landowners. Why should they own that anymore than they should own energy and utilities? Public assets should be publicly owned.

That creates a true 1%er society.  1% that controls the wealth (look up "nomenklatura") and the 99% that begs for it.  It makes for a true 1984 society of Party Members and proles.

[modify]  I guess you see yourself as a Party Member -- a member of the "mandarin class" of educated (or at least credentialed) "vanguard" leaders who through your control of "the commanding heights of the economy" are smart enough to create what's never been created before in world history?
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WhyteRain
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2012, 03:47:17 PM »

Either way, the government has sat on their hands for years and done nothing about it.

If you're referring to high housing costs, I absolutely agree. Globally, probably trillions of dollars are extracted every year by private landowners. Why should they own that anymore than they should own energy and utilities? Public assets should be publicly owned.

That creates a true 1%er society.  1% that controls the wealth (look up "nomenklatura") and the 99% that begs for it.  It makes for a true 1984 society of Party Members and proles.

[modify]  I guess you see yourself as a Party Member -- a member of the "mandarin class" of educated (or at least credentialed) "vanguard" leaders who through your control of "the commanding heights of the economy" are smart enough to create what's never been created before in world history?

I like the part where you explained how the excessive executive compensation, the money flowing from ratepayers to shareholders that contribute nothing to the service, the jacking up of public prices in pursuit of private capital gains, and the basic private, for-profit ownership model that incentivizes increasing profit to the private owners at the expense of the utility of the service itself--all things that unnecessarily drive up the cost of utilities and housing--is more beneficial to the 99% than a non-profit, publicly (government) run system which has none of the aforementioned issues.

The right never seems to care about private costs.

You could have said simply "Yes, I see myself as a Party Member of the future society.  The only thing wrong with Bell, Calif., officials receiving huge salaries for running a prole town is that the proles had anything to say about it.  And if I can't be a town official making $800,000 a year, at least I can be a lowly-Party Member who receives a salary and benefits twice as high as the proles we'll force to pay for it -- before I retire at age 48 with 100% of my salary as retirement pay.  Everyone today knows that a long career in government is a much surer path to the lifestyle of the rich and famous than a long career in business.  Look at Pres. Obama -- he was virtually broke 10 years ago; now he's in the 0.1%.  Look how his wife got a $317,000 salary for a no-work job when he was elected to office.  That's the American Dream, baby!

"That's why I'm going to claim that prole shareholders who invest their savings in utilities don't deserve a penny in return.  That's why I'm going to claim that Party Members and Public Officials have a much longer time horizon for their public-spiritedness than do prole owners and investors have for their capital investments.  PMPOs will think about what the proles will need 50, a 100 years from now, whereas private investors don't care what happens to their investments even next year!

"That's why I'm going to claim that the Ruling Class Party will always provide the proles superior products and services at lower costs -- look at housing."

Did I miss anything?  No, I think that recapsulates all of your arguments so far.  Let me know if you think otherwise or if you have more.

 
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