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« on: November 08, 2012, 06:07:18 PM »

I think this is a good analysis, but I think misses the bigger factor that Tories, perhaps, doesn't understand or at least, doesn't empathise with. While pigeon-holing voters is a fraught thing to do, a little bit, especially for the GOP looking ahead, should be undertaken.

I think the missing factor is cultural identification - meaning, you personally feel a deeper connection to the party than merely 'self-interest'. I mean, Torie is a pretty key example of someone who appreciates the fact that the GOP's economic policies work for him and so votes on those to the exclusion of the other 'problematic' policy positions. But overall, I wouldn't identify him, or his cohort as someone who culturally identifies with the GOP. Now, this is the problem - those who do 'culturally identify' with the GOP are increasingly on the edge of society, they're older, whiter and socially conservative.

If you look at the exit polling from last night, and the bulls*** we've had to listen to from the right over the past six months, it shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the country and not only where it's heading, but where it ALEADY is. Increasing numbers of people are pro-choice, supportive of gay marriage, reforming immigration laws... So let's look at this from the most cliche-ridden position possible. Most of those who support the Democratic party, do so, even against their own perceived interests, because they feel the Democratic party is on the right side of history, and the GOP has, if anything, regressed on those issues over the past 4-6 years. And, while the economy is important, the idea the GOPers have that, 'well those issues aren't more important than the economy' is just DEAD WRONG. Leaving them more exposed and increasingly reliant on a small of die-hard voters, generally focused on on two regions of the country, with a wealthy set of backers who hold their noses on social issues and essentially the stars aligning.

What should be MOST alarming to the GOP for the future, is something that has been evident since the 1980s at least, when turnout goes up, their chances of winning goes down. The reaction by the GOP when faced with this demographic time-bomb has been on par with a kamikaze pilot, instead of working on expanding their appeal to those expanding demographics, they've huddled down in their bunker working on trying to deter turnout on the other side and doubling-down on the policies that turned those groups against them in the first place, this is Latinos, women, Asian-Americans, young voters...

From a purely political-science perspective... it's utterly terrifying for their future prospects. What's the bet their argument in 2016 will be, "well, it was obviously a huge personal vote for Obama, once he's gone, those people won't come out" They'll try to avoid doing anything, because the Civil War in the party would be bloody and terrifying.
Polnut this is too optimistic, if the white voters agreed with the democratic positions than why did they swing to the GOP?
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« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2012, 09:58:02 PM »

Agree with you on Georgia, disagree on North Carolina, because the largest growing part of that state is in the Research Triangle, and it leans left

The white GOP vote in Georgia has reached its limit as well. Alabama and Mississippi white voters vote so overwhelmingly GOP because almost all white voters are rural, religious and conservative. Metro Atlanta has a growing base of white liberals and moderates, who, like whites in the research triangle, are not as susceptible to race/culture war tactics. Fortunately for Democrats, that's where literally all the growth in Georgia will be more the next few decades.

Essentially, the GOP has maxed out the white vote in the rural areas, but the fast growing suburban areas will be tougher for them to dominate in the future.



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I probably should have said Atlanta and its inner suburbs. The outer suburbs are about as conservative as you can get. Also, they key word is "growing." It ain't there yet.


I think the white urban growth is retarded by anti-transit policies of the overlords in Atlanta. If MARTA was expanded, GA could where Virginia was 4 years ago.
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