Palestine college student protest megathread

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"why are so many young people so obsessed with Palestine?"
"its due to all the pro_Jewish groups on campuses!"

<admit it's about the racism without admitting it's about the racism>

Why are you conflating pro Israel with pro Jewish?

Because the mobs are never gathered around the headquarters of conservative student groups, they're gathered around Chabad and Hillel Houses.

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The obsession with Palestine is reaching a whole new level.

Alec Baldwin Acosted

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C6GcKNtuV63/

That is borderline criminal.

Not more criminal than loading an unprepared automatic weapon on the set of a movie and killing a crew member, knowing you were 99% responsible for the murder. Baldwin should be sitting behind bars, not walking in the streets of New York.

That is not at all what happened and the fact that he was charged at all was a Republican-led fraud. He might be civilly liable due to his role as producer, but that's all.

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Young people cared about Ukraine early on in the war, but like most things, attention spans are short so they've moved on to another issue.

The ones who are loudest on the pro-Palestinian side right now were heavily actively in favor of Russia's genocidal war. The sizable Ukraine/Palestine wing of mainstream progs is definitely there, but they're not the ones for whom it consumes every waking moment and turns them into a frothing revolutionary.

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There isn't a significant Saudi population in the diaspora to terrorize, either, which seems to be the bread and butter of these protests.

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Most of these groups might be harmless idiots, but one psychopath from these groups is inevitably going to do something horrific and probably usher in a massive fascist backlash.

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Guys, I don't think "collective punishment for all of America" is a winning platform, but maybe I'm crazy.

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The opinions of rape-deniers are not wanted on this issue.

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She's very successfully making her primary race a referendum solely on her. We'll see how that works out for her.

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Seems to just be a routine statement of policy.

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Revealing.

I live in Capitol Hill only a few blocks away from CHAZ.  This is a 100% accurate description of what it was.  You can find my posts on the subject at the time to confirm it (although knowing you, you probably already have most of my posts bookmarked).

We've glorified the hippies and student protest movements of the 60s so much that everyone 18-25 longs to recreate them.  They all want to get together and make a political statement for peace and love and harmony and justice and equity.  But they don't really want to do anything more than chant some slogans and do some marches, and they don't want to have to spend time actually learning about the subject.

So you just offer them a little street party for the cause, and say, hey come get drunk/high and laze about all day with your buddies, listen to some live music and feel the energy of a place where things are happening, maybe wear a little costume and take some photos of yourself looking like a civil rights leader, join in some chants when we tell you, and you'll get to tell your grandchildren you were part of the grand social justice movement of 2024.  That's like catnip.

If you were in 1968 would you have been much of a fan of student protests either?

Certainly not of the ones intimidating a minority group out of going to school in 1957.

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Yes, the average protester cannot be expected to distinguish between the two, and given how Jewish students are in fear for their personal safety (and in some cases, their very lives) around these Palestine protesters, to all intents and purposes we have to confront the reality that the word 'Zionist' is synonymous with 'Jew', and that there is no real difference between the two out in the real world, judging by the behavior of protesters.  So when you are condemning Zionism, you are condemning Judaism as a whole as well.  

There are A LOT of people who do not mean "jew" when they say "Zionist". Don't get it twisted. I do understand though that from the perspective of protecting one's safety, you have to kind of assume that somebody saying it means "jew". It's far better to be safe than sorry, and not assume a situation or person is safe when they are potentialy not. Even in 9 out of 10 you encounter people don't mean "jew" when they say "Zionist", the 10th person could mean that and could harm you.

There are definitely a significant number of people who really do just mean “Zionist” when they say “Zionist,” but between the Trumpists and the anti-Semitic left, I’d argue that about two thirds of the time people do mean “Jew.”  I definitely think you see it used as a pejorative term for “Jew” on the right more than on the left, but it still happens quite a bit on the left too.

Which Trumpists do you know who regularly criticize Zionists? This is both sidesism -- the right is resolutely pro-Israel.

Thomas Massie, Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, Candace Owens all come to mind. I don't know if you'd call them "Trumpers" exactly - I have a less kind epithet for them.

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No institution would allow for indefinite collective punishment by a minority group. If even the Universities are putting their foot down, it should be an effective preview of what will happen when these mobs attack the DNC.

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Also, this entire movement showed its true face when it organized mass rallies immediately after 10/7 celebrating the slaughter, before Israel had struck back. No matter what they say their demands are, they showed their cards on day one and they will never be allowed to cover that up.

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Also, this entire movement showed its true face when it organized mass rallies immediately after 10/7 celebrating the slaughter, before Israel had struck back. No matter what they say their demands are, they showed their cards on day one and they will never be allowed to cover that up.

Support for Palestine is still low. But Israel, after having suffered the second worst killing of Jews since the Holocaust (the worst was in Argentina during the dirty war, where tens of thousands of socialists, 12% of them Jews, were killed with weapons bought from the IDF) has lost an incredible amount of goodwill and the polls reflect that too. Pre 10/7 the average American was probably a soft Israel supporter, now the average American says screw em both.

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1785006429625074159

Lol, even I don't go this far.

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To Horus:

Huh? That's not true. Gallup's February poll found that 58% of Americans continue to have very/mostly favorable views of Israel, versus just 18% for the PA: https://news.gallup.com/poll/611375/americans-views-israel-palestinian-authority-down.aspx

This is down from 75% in February 2021, but it is essentially level with Israel's February 2004/2002  ratings (59%/58%) and substantially up from Israel's 1989 and 1992 polling. The long term trend remains upwards and even if these numbers do not recover a strong majority of Americans (larger than any Presidential % since Reagan) will continue to hold favorable views of Israel.

The polls on this issue are rather schizophrenic. If you combine them altogether, you get the picture that Americans think Israel is a habitual human rights abuser and that makes them like the country more. It largely all comes down to leading questions, but the overall picture that emerges is far from grim for Israel.

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Also, this entire movement showed its true face when it organized mass rallies immediately after 10/7 celebrating the slaughter, before Israel had struck back. No matter what they say their demands are, they showed their cards on day one and they will never be allowed to cover that up.

Support for Palestine is still low. But Israel, after having suffered the second worst killing of Jews since the Holocaust (the worst was in Argentina during the dirty war, where tens of thousands of socialists, 12% of them Jews, were killed with weapons bought from the IDF) has lost an incredible amount of goodwill and the polls reflect that too. Pre 10/7 the average American was probably a soft Israel supporter, now the average American says screw em both.

https://twitter.com/USA_Polling/status/1785006429625074159

Lol, even I don't go this far.

That’s objectively insane, why would anyone support this?

Honestly, probably just a lack of understanding of what joining NATO would mean.

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(also most of the protestors are not chanting pro-intifada slogans at random Jewish passers-by)

Have you watched the footage of the protests?  Once the chanting starts, everyone joins in, and "intifada revolution" is top-3 slogans they're chanting.  Just go watch the replay of the live feed posted earlier in this very thread.

11 people sitting at a table with one Nazi.

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They've now started breaking into buildings, which is a massive escalation.

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This brings the mob much closer to student dorms. Given who their leader is and what she celebrates, this is a serious direct threat to the lives of Columbia's Jewish students, at which point it will no longer be solely an American issue.

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Columbia screwed up here from the start. The police should have been clearing out lawbreakers from the start with minimal force, removing them from campus and giving them desk appearance tickets. Nothing of note for disruptive tresspassers. With every delay, with every concession, they got bolder and were able to entrench themselves.

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https://twitter.com/CarolinaReview/status/1785368378183479581

These jackasses are going to potentially elect Trump, which is their goal, even if it's not going to be driven by them but by people repulsed by them!

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https://twitter.com/CarolinaReview/status/1785368378183479581

These jackasses are going to potentially elect Trump, which is their goal, even if it's not going to be driven by them but by people repulsed by them!

You really think these protests will continue in full force through the Fall? Americans have short memories, events in April have minimal effect on November, especially with the very polarizing and well-known candidates in this election.

Not sure - although we are not at the biggest flashpoint yet by a long shot, that's the DNC - but these are fantastic shots for the Republicans to put in ads. Now, I don't think Biden is particularly soft on these mobs, but that's going to be the talking point.

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It looks like the raid on Columbia is incoming. Prayers for a quick and effective operation that will result in as few injuries as possible, but that's largely in the hands of the "occupiers".

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Feel free to fact check me on this, but this really is not a good look.

https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1785497186408558646?t=_Xw-7z8osf9xd9xOEnXGb...

The fact-check would be that Eli Valley cannot be trusted under any circumstances.

Unfortunately, one of the biggest problems on the internet today is that too many people are lying for profit.

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Feel free to fact check me on this, but this really is not a good look.

https://twitter.com/elivalley/status/1785497186408558646?t=_Xw-7z8osf9xd9xOEnXGb...

The fact-check would be that Eli Valley cannot be trusted under any circumstances.

Unfortunately, one of the biggest problems on the internet today is that too many people are lying for profit.

I have found some other sources corroborating this though.

I'm not seeing much, but "Stay in place during an ongoing operation" is a pretty standard demand for police officers. I doubt they want to arrest the dean, that's for sure.