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Ray Goldfield
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« on: October 18, 2017, 08:41:44 PM »

Freedom Fighter. Now remove Ellison himself. No quarter for Corbynites in America.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2017, 08:50:22 AM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

They will do exactly that - and they will continue to lose elections.
Well they can't adopt Bernie plan either. Socialism and even left wing populism can not work in American politics because Republicans will use it as a racial wedge issue. Democrats do not want debate whether football players should get free tuition or illegal immigrants get free health care in 2018 or 2020.

Because they're cowards.

No, because these are the kind of incendiary divisive topics that split the electoral just the way Trump likes, which is why he always harps on this stuff. It pits the majority of the electorate against the "other." A better way is to craft a broad appeal to the personal self-interests of the vast majority of the electorate, like Corbyn's "For the Many" slogan, which is a message well-suited for left wing populism, anyway.

I'd argue Corbyn's success has more to do with his convictions and the strength with which he defends them, not his slogan.

Corbyn's success comes from promising the masses free stuff with no plan to pay for anything, quite easy to do when you're not in power

Also, telling them who to hate for all their problems, and letting them have dark fantasies of revenge. Grievance-driven populists always have a raw appeal.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2017, 12:34:14 PM »

“We don’t have the luxury to walk out of this room divided.” Tom Perez as he silently removes dissent.

He's right. The democratic party must remain united behind capitalism. If they become the party of Bernie, Trump will be re-elected.

They will do exactly that - and they will continue to lose elections.
Well they can't adopt Bernie plan either. Socialism and even left wing populism can not work in American politics because Republicans will use it as a racial wedge issue. Democrats do not want debate whether football players should get free tuition or illegal immigrants get free health care in 2018 or 2020.

Because they're cowards.

No, because these are the kind of incendiary divisive topics that split the electoral just the way Trump likes, which is why he always harps on this stuff. It pits the majority of the electorate against the "other." A better way is to craft a broad appeal to the personal self-interests of the vast majority of the electorate, like Corbyn's "For the Many" slogan, which is a message well-suited for left wing populism, anyway.

I'd argue Corbyn's success has more to do with his convictions and the strength with which he defends them, not his slogan.

Corbyn's success comes from promising the masses free stuff with no plan to pay for anything, quite easy to do when you're not in power

Also, telling them who to hate for all their problems, and letting them have dark fantasies of revenge. Grievance-driven populists always have a raw appeal.

You're saying that like it's a bad thing. Huh

It killed one hundred million people, but have fun, I guess.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2017, 01:15:41 PM »
« Edited: October 19, 2017, 02:24:39 PM by Sweet Meteor O' Death 2016 »

Good , socialists should not be allowed to take over leadership of either party.




I would say it's lawless populists that need to be stopped, on a larger scale. As Republicans, we can't be backing nullificationists like Roy Moore either, if we want our republic to stay healthy.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2017, 12:54:52 PM »

If he's willing to take a political hit to weaken the authoritarian left wing of the Democrats, Perez may be one of America's great statesmen at the moment.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2017, 01:48:19 PM »

Kicking James Zogby off a comittee will not stop the coming  next generation of Democrats who will make Bernie look like Joe Lieberman.

Mark my words, "eat the rich" will be a serious proposal by 2030.

And then the centrist liberals will migrate over to the Republicans, giving us a safe majority for a good long while, at least until the attempted coup.
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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2017, 02:04:52 PM »

Kicking James Zogby off a comittee will not stop the coming  next generation of Democrats who will make Bernie look like Joe Lieberman.

Mark my words, "eat the rich" will be a serious proposal by 2030.

And then the centrist liberals will migrate over to the Republicans, giving us a safe majority for a good long while, at least until the attempted coup.

They would have if Team Trump wasn't bizarrely good at playing electoral moneyball.

Yeah. They'll team up with the moderate Republicans who won the election for Hillary and you'll be unstopable!
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