Multiple Victims Reported Shot In San Bernardino

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Multiple shooters and such a senseless, illogical target makes me think ISIS sympathizers. Probably not the actual organization, but if there's any link, expect politics in this country to get far uglier fast.

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Hearing that the area that was attacked was actually not the center for the developmentally disabled but an area of the building that was rented out to a third party. If that's the case, this could turn out to be a workplace grudge of some sort, where the institution/workers were the target. No way of knowing until the culprits are identified - and we actually know if there are multiple shooters.

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I would say this should serve as a lesson to certain members of this forum and the broader conservative movement, but that would just be a waste of time.

There were just as many people immediately jumping on the "far-right Christian terrorists" bandwagon on twitter, Reddit, etc.

Exactly. No one knows anything for sure.

I will say that the MO here, of several heavily armed suspects attacking and then fleeing into the surrounding area, reminds me a lot more of Paris and Charlie Hebdo than any recent American domestic terror attack. Probably the closest American match is the original plan of Harris and Klebold in Columbine. However, there's exceptions to every rule.

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I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

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I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

I just love how different the response would be if this was just your run of the mill workplace shooting by a crazy (non-muslim) person. But it's a muslim so suddenly everyone is up in arms. Otherwise we would just have to accept the shooting as a "price of freedom" or some such other pro-gun nonsense.

Of course it could still be the result of a crazy guy who was mad at his workplace for one reason or another (maybe they made fun of his religion) and got his wife involved in his sick plot. Even if religion was involved, it doesn't change the fact the man was sick in his head, just like other mass shooters/murderers.

They've already found ties to radicals abroad. It's over.

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I find it disgusting that people are literally desperate to avoid the fact that, yes, some Muslims can be terrorists. Not all Muslims, but some.

And good luck getting the refugees in now (yes, I know the attackers likely were not refugees). Whether we should or shouldn't take them in is irrelevant, because the issue is dead. Once again, radical Islamic terrorists have struck us. This is the third major attack by them since 9/11.

Oh, the refugees are coming in. Obama has made very clear that he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

I think this terrorist asshole and the likely tone-deaf response from all corners may just elect Trump President, unfortunately.

I just love how different the response would be if this was just your run of the mill workplace shooting by a crazy (non-muslim) person. But it's a muslim so suddenly everyone is up in arms. Otherwise we would just have to accept the shooting as a "price of freedom" or some such other pro-gun nonsense.

Of course it could still be the result of a crazy guy who was mad at his workplace for one reason or another (maybe they made fun of his religion) and got his wife involved in his sick plot. Even if religion was involved, it doesn't change the fact the man was sick in his head, just like other mass shooters/murderers.

They've already found ties to radicals abroad. It's over.

What's over? Is this more tragic if it's terrorism versus workplace violence? And as Badger points out, this could be a combination of both. Guy gets radicalized. Throw in some badgering at work due to his religion and viola. I don't see how this can be more tragic whether it was terrorism, workplace violence or a combination of both.

Of course people need to find out what it is so they can properly respond to it. For conservatives it's "isolated incident by crazy guy" vs "all the muslims are terrorists!!!!" For liberals it's " we need gun reform!!!" vs "isolated incident by crazy muslim guy".

As for me, I find the "all the muslims are terrorists" thinking to be most dangerous to America right now so......

No one here is saying that besides one deleted post.

However, ignoring the fact that this is an organized strike against innocent civilians by foreign influenced radicals is just silly at this point. A spree shooting with no larger cause is very different.

This was a strike by our enemy in a war. Global terrorism hit home again, and yes, there is a significant difference.