'Made in Israel settlements'

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I'm sure they had the labels in storage for when it became fashionable again.

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As a Jew, I am ashamed at the ideologues crying antisemtism here. The settlements aren't recognized as Israeli by anyone. Why should it say "Made in Israel" when it's not in Israel

The fact that these areas - that have in fact not been any sort of independent country since the last Jewish kingdom, but have been occupied and passed in between various empires and local countries for over 2000 years - are not recognized as Israeli by anyone while the rest of the world is fine with the blatant conquest and occupation of the long-independent Tibet is a perfect illustration of the problem.

Whether they are eventually given independence in a negotiated settlement is a matter for Israel and its negotiating parties. But they weren't taken from any sort of Palestinian entity. They were claimed as the spoils of war from an invading nation - the previous holder of Jordan.

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As a Jew, I am ashamed at the ideologues crying antisemtism here. The settlements aren't recognized as Israeli by anyone. Why should it say "Made in Israel" when it's not in Israel

The fact that these areas - that have in fact not been any sort of independent country since the last Jewish kingdom, but have been occupied and passed in between various empires and local countries for over 2000 years - are not recognized as Israeli by anyone while the rest of the world is fine with the blatant conquest and occupation of the long-independent Tibet is a perfect illustration of the problem.

Whether they are eventually given independence in a negotiated settlement is a matter for Israel and its negotiating parties. But they weren't taken from any sort of Palestinian entity. They were claimed as the spoils of war from an invading nation - the previous holder of Jordan.

I'm pretty sure we've gone over this already, but the problem with Israel and the West Bank as part of Israel is not that it was taken over from the Jordanians.

And that is why I support a two-state solution when the PA is willing to come to the table and stop inciting pogroms.

However, Europe rewriting history and seeking to economically and diplomatically isolate Israel is a very different affair.

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Really loving the tears of the zionazi crowd right here.

Keep doing what you're doing, Europe!

If only you were so excited about fighting actual monsters, such as ISIS, rather then attacking the Israeli Right-wing.

He's an anti-semite who mocked the idea that Europe was a dangerous place for Jews in the years after the Holocaust, so keep that in mind.

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Actually more symbolic than actual, the settlements don't really have that much industry about (most settlers work within Israel). maybe agriculture will be mildly hit but they're covered by the government by the farmers lobby anyway.

And as has been pointed out before, this will likely lead to the Israeli companies who employ Palestinian workers in the West Bank to close those factories and move to within the 1948 markings, causing a loss of jobs for those workers.

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And as has been pointed out before, this will likely lead to the Israeli companies who employ Palestinian workers in the West Bank to close those factories and move to within the 1948 markings, causing a loss of jobs for those workers.

Frankly it saddens me to see pro-Israel people resort to claims such as "Arabs will lose their jobs if you boycott products from J&S" in order to justify the Jewish presence in Yehuda and Shomron and in order to denounce (quasi-)boycotts against Jewish companies in J&S. I mean, you're factually 100% right and I won't argue about that, and we absolutely agree about the fact that this boycott is bad, but I'm afraid this argument will convince absolutely nobody. The symbolic value of this quasi-boycott obviously trumps the (negligible) effects of it, and both the EU and the PA seem interested in these symbolics rather than the effects, so continuing to argue about its effectiveness is like speaking another language, which is generally not fruitful in advocating your cause.

Israel failing to focus on the reasons why this is symbolically wrong rather than effectively is illustrative of the failure of Israel's side (StandWithUs, Israel Project etc. etc. etc.) to understand what this conflict is essentially about, and that's partly because the political elites themselves have forgotten this -- the mainstream right (i.e. Likud) much more than the mainstream left, because Likud's position is as intellectually dishonest as it gets, even if I prefer it to the intellectually honest yet anti-Zionist position of the mainstream left. We need to understand what our cause is essentially about, and it's not about democracy, Arab jobs, hummus or startups (as much as I like all of them) -- it is about Jewish rights to Israel, and in this case specifically to Judea and Samaria. We have a right to be there and this is the argument we should present as convincingly as possible to the world.

I see what you're saying, but I feel like that's a different issue that we need to debate separately.

What I want to focus on when it comes to this specific issue of the European labeling and possible boycott is that they very clearly care more about hurting Israel than they do about helping the people they claim to be standing for. In fact, they're willing to actively hurt them if it hurts Israel too.

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How exactly was Europe at any point post-WWII more dangerous than Israel for Jews?

Israel actually had a war and Europe didn't. Germany was under Allied military rule and strict Denazification. The largest Jewish population was in France which still has the world's third largest Jewish population and was a place where fascists and collaborationists were being treated brutally. No one was going to be able to go after Jews. Paris was a safer city fir Jews than Jerusalem in 1948.

Well, Germany may have been under occupation, but look into the purges done against Jews in Poland. Poland had the largest Jewish population pre-war in Europe and was still one of the centers of the culture, and the locals were determined to wipe it out once and for all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_violence_in_Poland,_1944–46
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom

Beyond that, can you imagine the terror of being a small minority in a place that literally just wiped out almost your entire culture in ten years? I can see being able to fight for your freedom in a place that was yours being much more appealing than sitting around in your family's ashes waiting for the other shoe to drop.

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How exactly was Europe at any point post-WWII more dangerous than Israel for Jews?

Israel actually had a war and Europe didn't. Germany was under Allied military rule and strict Denazification. The largest Jewish population was in France which still has the world's third largest Jewish population and was a place where fascists and collaborationists were being treated brutally. No one was going to be able to go after Jews. Paris was a safer city fir Jews than Jerusalem in 1948.

Well, Germany may have been under occupation, but look into the purges done against Jews in Poland. Poland had the largest Jewish population pre-war in Europe and was still one of the centers of the culture, and the locals were determined to wipe it out once and for all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_violence_in_Poland,_1944–46
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom

Beyond that, can you imagine the terror of being a small minority in a place that literally just wiped out almost your entire culture in ten years? I can see being able to fight for your freedom in a place that was yours being much more appealing than sitting around in your family's ashes waiting for the other shoe to drop.

So an incident where about forty Jews were killed (by soldiers who were later tried and executed by the government) versus sending them to an ongoing warzone where the Zionists were trying to take the land over from the people who had already lived there for millennia.

Gotcha. Man, you are insanely deluded.

I really don't give a crap what you think of Jewish self-determination.

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How exactly was Europe at any point post-WWII more dangerous than Israel for Jews?

Israel actually had a war and Europe didn't. Germany was under Allied military rule and strict Denazification. The largest Jewish population was in France which still has the world's third largest Jewish population and was a place where fascists and collaborationists were being treated brutally. No one was going to be able to go after Jews. Paris was a safer city fir Jews than Jerusalem in 1948.

Well, Germany may have been under occupation, but look into the purges done against Jews in Poland. Poland had the largest Jewish population pre-war in Europe and was still one of the centers of the culture, and the locals were determined to wipe it out once and for all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_violence_in_Poland,_1944–46
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom

Beyond that, can you imagine the terror of being a small minority in a place that literally just wiped out almost your entire culture in ten years? I can see being able to fight for your freedom in a place that was yours being much more appealing than sitting around in your family's ashes waiting for the other shoe to drop.

So an incident where about forty Jews were killed (by soldiers who were later tried and executed by the government) versus sending them to an ongoing warzone where the Zionists were trying to take the land over from the people who had already lived there for millennia.

Gotcha. Man, you are insanely deluded.

I really don't give a crap what you think of Jewish self-determination.

What a stellar, astonishingly well-thought, solid comeback.

I really don't give a crap what you think of Jewish self-determination.

Quoted for truth. The only Jewish term that seems to apply to NYMillenial is "chutzpah", specifically the cutzpah to tell Jews where they can live and where they cannot live. Those days are over, dude.

Sure, we can't tell them where to live.

But we can take away our aid as long as they continue to act as Zionazis and abuse what we give them.

We don't have to enable their savagery.

Every time you use that word, you prove why you're not deserving of a lengthy reply.

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How exactly was Europe at any point post-WWII more dangerous than Israel for Jews?

Israel actually had a war and Europe didn't. Germany was under Allied military rule and strict Denazification. The largest Jewish population was in France which still has the world's third largest Jewish population and was a place where fascists and collaborationists were being treated brutally. No one was going to be able to go after Jews. Paris was a safer city fir Jews than Jerusalem in 1948.

Well, Germany may have been under occupation, but look into the purges done against Jews in Poland. Poland had the largest Jewish population pre-war in Europe and was still one of the centers of the culture, and the locals were determined to wipe it out once and for all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_violence_in_Poland,_1944–46
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom

Beyond that, can you imagine the terror of being a small minority in a place that literally just wiped out almost your entire culture in ten years? I can see being able to fight for your freedom in a place that was yours being much more appealing than sitting around in your family's ashes waiting for the other shoe to drop.

So an incident where about forty Jews were killed (by soldiers who were later tried and executed by the government) versus sending them to an ongoing warzone where the Zionists were trying to take the land over from the people who had already lived there for millennia.

Gotcha. Man, you are insanely deluded.

I really don't give a crap what you think of Jewish self-determination.

What a stellar, astonishingly well-thought, solid comeback.

I really don't give a crap what you think of Jewish self-determination.

Quoted for truth. The only Jewish term that seems to apply to NYMillenial is "chutzpah", specifically the cutzpah to tell Jews where they can live and where they cannot live. Those days are over, dude.

Sure, we can't tell them where to live.

But we can take away our aid as long as they continue to act as Zionazis and abuse what we give them.

We don't have to enable their savagery.

Every time you use that word, you prove why you're not deserving of a lengthy reply.

It's the equivalent to calling me an anti-semite.

Stupid labels deserve stupid labels in return.

Anyone who refers to Jews using a Nazi-related pejorative IS an anti-semite.

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How exactly was Europe at any point post-WWII more dangerous than Israel for Jews?

Israel actually had a war and Europe didn't. Germany was under Allied military rule and strict Denazification. The largest Jewish population was in France which still has the world's third largest Jewish population and was a place where fascists and collaborationists were being treated brutally. No one was going to be able to go after Jews. Paris was a safer city fir Jews than Jerusalem in 1948.

Well, Germany may have been under occupation, but look into the purges done against Jews in Poland. Poland had the largest Jewish population pre-war in Europe and was still one of the centers of the culture, and the locals were determined to wipe it out once and for all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Jewish_violence_in_Poland,_1944–46
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom

Beyond that, can you imagine the terror of being a small minority in a place that literally just wiped out almost your entire culture in ten years? I can see being able to fight for your freedom in a place that was yours being much more appealing than sitting around in your family's ashes waiting for the other shoe to drop.

So an incident where about forty Jews were killed (by soldiers who were later tried and executed by the government) versus sending them to an ongoing warzone where the Zionists were trying to take the land over from the people who had already lived there for millennia.

Gotcha. Man, you are insanely deluded.

I really don't give a crap what you think of Jewish self-determination.

What a stellar, astonishingly well-thought, solid comeback.

I really don't give a crap what you think of Jewish self-determination.

Quoted for truth. The only Jewish term that seems to apply to NYMillenial is "chutzpah", specifically the cutzpah to tell Jews where they can live and where they cannot live. Those days are over, dude.

Sure, we can't tell them where to live.

But we can take away our aid as long as they continue to act as Zionazis and abuse what we give them.

We don't have to enable their savagery.

Every time you use that word, you prove why you're not deserving of a lengthy reply.

It's the equivalent to calling me an anti-semite.

Stupid labels deserve stupid labels in return.

Anyone who refers to Jews using a Nazi-related pejorative IS an anti-semite.

Nah, I think you're the anti-semite here.

You've no problem with an Israeli government that discards the lives of individual Jews, and you've demonstrated an uncanny dislike for the Palestinian people, who are also Semites.

The term anti-semitism was coined exclusively to refer to Jews.

But if it'll stop the pedantry, we'll refer to all people who refer to Jews as Nazis as "Jew-haters" from now on, okay?

I think my bingo card is almost full.

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Stop saying 'Zionazi', you jackass.

This is what Jew-haters do. They know how much it hurts Jews to be casually contrasted with their worst murderers, so they do it as much as they can. The casual cruelty is the point, I believe.