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Andrea
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« on: October 22, 2023, 01:57:57 PM »

Polls will open in 15 minutes in Südtirol and the Trentino.

The last polling stations will close at 9 in the evening.

Trentino vote until 10pm.
Count is tonight in Alto Adige. Tomorrow in Trentino.

Also voting today
Foggia to elect mayor and council

Monza to elect Berlusconi's replacement at the Senate. When I went to vote this late morning, turnout at my polling station was at 2%. Now we are at 14%....we can top the 20%. Voting time closes tomorrow afternoon.
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2023, 02:33:09 PM »

The 2011 census was the last one to enumerate languages. Italy (and Trentino/Südtirol) are now using annual census surveys, which are not including language any longer. But there have been insignificant changes anyway over the past decades between German-Italian-Ladin. The biggest winners now are "others", those who speak another language at home, most of them foreigners migrating to the region. English, Arabic and others for example.

I read that a new digital language survey was just launched this year (reference date 30 September, so I assume the data will not be published for a while still) - after all South Tyrol cannot stop collecting this information given that various services, in particular public employee jobs and social housing, are assigned in proportion to the linguistic groups.

Anyway as you can see on that map there are also a few villages in Trentino where the native language is other local variants of Upper German which are separate from South Tyrol German and probably mutually unintelligible with it (Mocheno and Cimbrian). They're very small and obscure - orders of magnitude more than Ladin - but somehow they exist. Hardly the only such linguistic islands in Italy either!

I have Googled it now and it looks as if this new language survey in South Tyrol starts in December, when people can fill out forms online and if not everyone does/can, it continues in 2024 as a traditional paper survey. You are right, it can take a while to get these results.

The release also mentions that they wanted to conduct the ST language survey in 2021 already, but deleyed it because of the Covid pandemic.

The release also mentions that the language survey is only mandatory for people with Italian citizenship, not for the non-citizens, of which there are about 10%. Citizens have to declare themselves either belonging to the German, Italian or Ladin community. In the last census in 2011, there were 69-70% German declarations, 26% Italian and 4-5% Ladin.

There will be no "other" language option. I think people with Italian citizenship, who for example speak mostly Spanish or English or something at home, have to choose one of the three.

Residents without Italian citizenship can make the declaration of linguistic belonging only at the tribunal offices. They would have to choose only between German, Italian or Ladin. The certificate is necessary to access to public employment (because yes, public employment positions are divided between linguistic groups based on the regional % of each of the three groups) and for some regional economic benefits. A decade ago, it wasn't possible for long-term residents without Italian citizenship to make such declaration and it became an issue when some women won the public call for nursing positions at Bolzano hospital and couldn't produce the required certificate.
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2023, 03:07:02 PM »

Link for Alto Adige/South Tyrol results
https://elezioniprovinciali.provincia.bz.it/it/territory/province
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2023, 04:39:02 AM »

Live page of Trentino result
https://www.elezioni-2023.provincia.tn.it/Risultati/Coalizioni/000538.html

Incumbent leading with 50.9% half-way the count. Centre-left is at 38%. Former Lega defector (Divine) is just at 2.4%.
With Trentino electoral law, 40% is enough to get winning bonus on the council. So it is not a nail-biting count.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2023, 11:47:08 AM »

Trentino final result

Centre-right incumbent 51.82% (seats: 5 Lega, 5 Brothers of Italy, 4 President's list, 3 PATT, 2 local civic list, 1 ladin list)
Centre-left 37.5% (Seats: 7 PD, 3 local list, 1 Green Left, 1 former PATT who didn't join CR)
Left 3.81% (1 seat)
Further left 2.26% (0 seat)
Former Lega defector 2.22% (0 seat)
M5S 1.92% (0 seat)
Alternativa (former M5S who didn't back Draghi) 0.48% (0 seat)
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2023, 12:05:16 PM »

Monza to elect Berlusconi's replacement at the Senate. When I went to vote this late morning, turnout at my polling station was at 2%. Now we are at 14%....we can top the 20%. Voting time closes tomorrow afternoon.

Wait - do you actually live in Arcore (looking on your profile)? That's kind of funny you must admit.

20% would of course be on the high side for stand alone by-elections in Italy. There was one last Parliament with single-digit turnout...

Ahah nah, but in a municipality neighbouring Arcore

Final result

Galliani (CR) 51.46%
Cappato 39.53%
South with North 1.76%
Some Left list 1.75%
Communists 1.65%
Other far leftists 1.43%
A list anti-everything 1.26%
Some Social-Catholic list 1.19%

Turnout 19.25%


Arcore had a close-run: 1346 votes for Galliani and 1315 for Cappato
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2024, 05:14:46 AM »

Forces on the centre-left opposed to the alliance with the Five Stars have coalesced behind Renato Soru, former President of Sardinia between 2004 and 2009, founder of telecom company Tiscali and at various points in the past both inside and outside the PD. The coalition supporting Soru is worth mentioning just for the sheer absurdity, apparently combining Azione/+Europa, a Sardinian independentist list and (!!!) Communist Refoundation.

And in a very Italian way, Soru's daughter was running (and got elected) for the regional council in PD list.
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2024, 05:03:12 AM »

Lists specially the ones related to FdI, Lega or M5S (with ongoing primaries) should be known in the next days. Letizia Moratti is running on FI lists meanwhile in AVS among the listheaders is the imprisoned activist in Hungary Ilaria Salis or former Roma mayor Ignazio Marino.

PD lists were reported in the press, with only few adjustments expected to be made.

Nord Ovest – Cecilia Strada, Brando Benifei (incumbent), Irene Tinagli (incumbent), Alessandro Zan, Antonella Parigi, Giorgio Gori, Eleonora Evi, Pierfrancesco Maran, Elena Accossato, Davide Mattiello, Monica Romano, Emanuele Fiano, Lucia Artusi, Fulvio Centoz, Donatella Alfonso, Fabio Pizzul, Luca Jahier;

Nord Est – Stefano Bonaccini, Annalisa Corrado, Ivan Petretti, Elisabetta Gualmini (incumbent), Alessandro Zan, Alessandra Moretti (incumbent), Giuditta Pini, Silvia Panini, Antonio Mumolo, Sara Vito, Marcello Saltarelli, Andrea Zanoni;

Centro – Elly Schlein, Nicola Zingaretti, Camilla Laureti (incumbent), Marco Tarquinio, Beatrice Covassi (incumbent), Dario Nardella, Daniela Rondinelli (incumbent), Matteo Ricci, Umberto Insolera, Alessia Morani, Marco Paciotti, Antonio Mazzeo;

Sud – Lucia Annunziata, Antonio Decaro, Pina Picierno (incumbent), Sandro Ruotolo, Jasmine Cristallo, Shadi Alizadeh, Giuseppina Paterna, Annamaria Becci, Francesco Forte, Luigi Tassone, Lello Topo, Francesco Todisco;

Isole – Elly Schlein, Antonio Nicita, Nidia Tilotta, Pietro Bartolo (incumbent), Angela Quaquero, Peppino Lupo.


Therefore, incumbents (who are still in PD group) not standing again are:
Patrizia Toia (74 years old, 20 years as MEP + 10 years as MP. Even had a stint as government minister back in D'Alema-Amato years)
Giuliano Pisapia (indipendent elected in PD list last time. 76 years old. 10 years as MP + 5 years as Mayor of Milan + 5 years as MEP)
Mercedes Bresso (80 years old. 9 years as president of Turin province, then 5 years as president of Piemonte region, then 5 years of MEP, failed to be re-elected in 2019 and went back in in 2023 after one resignation)
Paolo De Castro (66 years old. 15 years as MEP + 3 years as MP and 4 years as Cabinet minister for Agricolture).
Achille Variati (71 years old. Replaced Calenda in 2022. Previously 15 years as Mayor of Vincenza).
Franco Roberti (77 years old. Former National Anti-Mafia and Anti-Terrorism Prosecutor who was one of the head of lists last time).

So, all veteran politicians who are retiring or are being told to retire. Nothing too shocking IMO.

As for the new names, I am not particularly fond of this tendency of running "celebrity" candidates like Annunziata (a TV journalist/anchorwoman).
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2024, 03:41:38 PM »
« Edited: April 27, 2024, 03:54:31 PM by Andrea »

M5S lists for European elections:
https://www.movimento5stelle.eu/le-nostre-liste-per-le-europee/

Out of the 14 M5S MEPs elected in 2019, only 5* are still with them now....
2 of them are ending the second term (and M5S internal rules don't allow a third term without exceptional exemptions), that leaves 3 incumbents re-standing.

North West: incumbent Maria Angela Danzì leads the list followed by journalist Gaetano Pedullà (who was the members' vote in NW).
North East: incumbent Sabrina Pignedoli leads the list followed by Ugo Biggeri (Co-founder of Banca Etica) and Martina Pluda (an animal welfare activist). All three indicated by the Conte without passing through membership selection.
Centre: former football player Carolina Morace leads the list. Dario Tamburrano (MEP in 2014-19 term, not re-elected 5 years ago) won members' selection and is second in the list.
South: Pasquale Tridico (former president of INPS/ Italian Institute for Social Security) at the top followed by Valentina Palmisano (former MP. Won the membership vote), incumbent MEP Mario Furore and  Maurizio Sibilio (deputy rector of Salerno University).
Islands:  Giuseppe Antoci and Cinzia Pilo. Both indicated by Conte.

Anyway, we have open lists...so the order in the list is not so crucial. However, better being towards the top...

* edit: actually 4 of the original 14 because their current 5th MEP entered the EU Parliament in 2022 after the resignation of the originally elected MEP who became MP for Green/Left (and she has now defected to PD).
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« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2024, 02:16:31 PM »
« Edited: May 01, 2024, 02:32:53 PM by Andrea »

Lists specially the ones related to FdI, Lega or M5S (with ongoing primaries) should be known in the next days. Letizia Moratti is running on FI lists meanwhile in AVS among the listheaders is the imprisoned activist in Hungary Ilaria Salis or former Roma mayor Ignazio Marino.

PD lists were reported in the press, with only few adjustments expected to be made.


Therefore, incumbents (who are still in PD group) not standing again are:
Patrizia Toia (74 years old, 20 years as MEP + 10 years as MP. Even had a stint as government minister back in D'Alema-Amato years)

So, all veteran politicians who are retiring or are being told to retire. Nothing too shocking IMO.



Toia was kept in the end. Somewhere in the middle of NW list.

Final lists from all main parties

North West: https://it.euronews.com/2024/05/01/candidati-circoscrizione-nord-ovest-elezioni-europee-2024-liste-fdi-pd-avs-m5s-lega-fi-azi
North East: https://it.euronews.com/2024/05/01/candidati-circoscrizione-nord-est-elezioni-europee-2024-liste-fdi-pd-avs-m5s-lega-fi-azion
Centre: https://it.euronews.com/2024/05/01/candidati-circoscrizione-centro-elezioni-europee-2024-liste-fdi-pd-avs-m5s-lega-fi-azione
South: https://it.euronews.com/2024/05/01/candidati-circoscrizione-sud-elezioni-europee-2024-liste-fdi-pd-avs-m5s-lega-fi-azione
Islands: https://it.euronews.com/2024/05/01/candidati-circoscrizione-isole-elezioni-europee-2024-liste-fdi-pd-avs-m5s-lega-fi-azione
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