Is anyone who doesn't fully understand & support Trans issues an automatic HP??

[Mister Mets]

I guess the obvious point would be that no one fully understands Trans issues. Even someone who is trans wouldn't automatically understand the point of view of another who is trans and comes from a relatively similar background (IE- same religion, income group, city), let alone from a different part of the world, with different social norms and understandings.

[Mister Mets]

OK, let's reframe the question: is somebody who refuses to respect another's personal decision about their gender an HP? And the answer to that, for me, is yes.

There are going to be some exceptions here.

I guess the obvious point would be that no one fully understands Trans issues. Even someone who is trans wouldn't automatically understand the point of view of another who is trans from their background, let alone from a different part of the world, with different social norms and understandings.

Well, yes, but then nobody understands anything.

We should acknowledge ambiguities. That can be especially significant in Trans issues, especially with the debates about letting people who aren't legal adults make major medical decisions. That necessitates an understanding of what we don't know.

[Mister Mets]

If I ban my child from getting clothing which make her look like a 11 year old prostitute, do it make me a horrible person?

What does that have to do with anything? Christ, Ingemann, I knew you weren't the best on trans issues, but I didn't think you'd stoop this low.

It means that we all agree that parents should set some borders and limits up for their children, and parents who doesn't are often seen terrible parents. But that also means that sometimes it's hard for parents to know, when they set reasonable limits for their childrens behaviour to protect them and when the limits they set sabotage the childrens development.

Let's say that we have some parents who support the child in all of these things, but years after he or her changed views and blame the parents, that they let him destroy his or her body by giving it hormones, while the body was still growing.

The truth are that no matter what you do, you risk not raising your child right, so mostly parents just run with their instincts, and sometimes that end up wrong. But calling people horrible over that is a very Atlas thing to do, and not in a positive way.

I'd think any reasonable person would realize that cutting their child off from society is harmful to development. You seem to be implying in that second paragraph that we should dismiss actual trans kids' issues on the off chance that someone might change their mind. I know trans people who would kill to have those hormones.

One would think the parents might take some time to learn what transgenderism is and perhaps love their daughter for who she is rather than trying to force their beliefs on her to the point of her killing themselves. Believe what you want, but the fact remains that they are directly responsible for Leelah's death.

The number of trans kids who change their minds is pretty high, although it's based on a fairly loose definition. This was buried in a Rolling Stone piece about a child's difficulties.

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There's a lot of confusion on all sides.

Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish has an interesting consideration of the puberty blocking medication often assigned to children who identify as trans. It serves as a way to delay medical decisions.

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2015/01/06/leelah-alcorns-last-words-ctd-4/