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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: November 27, 2008, 04:12:00 PM »
« edited: November 27, 2008, 09:27:09 PM by Sibboleth »

WTF

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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2008, 04:23:14 PM »

Seems to be about leaking. Strange that that sort of thing has been taken so seriously; generally the police don't go around hunting for people involved in the leaking process. Someone, somewhere, is very upset at something.

According to the BBC:

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What? Isn't that the purpose of parliamentary politics?

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2008, 08:44:18 PM »

Irrespective of whatever happens next, I think that Tories might begin to understand now how Labourites felt about the police investigations into the Party's finances not so very long ago at all. Maybe not as far as specifics go*, but the general feelings of outrage (either knowingly futile or angry, sometimes both), powerlessness, paranoia (which may well have been, may well be, entirely, or at least partially, justified) and a nagging, awful fear of what might happen if any charges are brought.

I remember what that felt like, and can sympathise even though I don't share those feelings over this and even though my opinion of Green has been extremely low for years.

Btw, from what I've read (very, very little) counter-terrorism powers don't see to have been used; can't find any mention of them anyway.

*Police coup!!!!!111 as opposed to Stalinism!!!!!!111
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2008, 09:01:28 PM »

EDIT: I take that back..some voices of dissaproval actually.

Last time I checked there (weeks, maybe even over a month ago actually) there were still a fair number of hard-lefties and Tories posting there, so it's not that odd. I would see who's saying what, but that site is such a pain to use...
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2008, 09:26:36 PM »

BBC article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7753557.stm
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« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2008, 10:51:29 AM »

This whole thing may be about to lurch ever closer to crossing the line into parody; the leaking civil servant at the centre of it all is apparently to hold a press conference in about an hour. 24hournews is eating itself, people...
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« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2008, 03:42:24 PM »
« Edited: December 01, 2008, 03:44:17 PM by Sibboleth »

I'm not especially interested in the whoknewwhatwhenandwhy row*; I'm finding it increasingly difficult to be interested in that side of politics; each and every time the patterns seem to be too alike. Which is probably a dreadfully jaded thing to write, haha.

I'm worried about something though;

We now know that leks were regular, they were not sensitive and there were bo  “inducements” by way of Green to persuade Galley to leak.

No, we don't know all of that. We know that this will, presumably, be Galley's defense if "nothing" changes and this gets to court, but that's all. There's no more reason to treat what his lawyer said as fact than a statement by a lawyer defending someone in an ordinary job of a more, aha, conventional form of theft (though no less reason either).
In any case (and thinking entirely of what people were arrested under and some of the things that were allegedly leaked), I'm not entirely sure if the issue of things being "sensitive" in a security sense is the main problem (for want of a better word) here; it may instead be what would technically be a minor former of corruption rather than breaching the Official Secrets Act or anything like that. Which may be why the lawyer was so insistent that everything had been done in the public interest (which, going off on a slight tangent, is actually a difficult claim to make for some of the things allegedly leaked IMO).

We'll see, I guess. Though, and I'm saying this in case what I wrote above gets read in the wrong way, I would rather nothing much comes out of the investigation; the possibility of serious damage to the political system could (stress "could") be dangerously real. Hopefully I'm just getting spooked by a shadow.

*Even if some of the issues cast up by it are interesting; sovereignty of Parliament v equality before the Law, the extent to which policing should be controlled by elected officials, the extent to which policing should be politically sensitive... etc.
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