Liberty v Security

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I don't really think that any civil liberties are being threatend; at least not for ordinary citizens.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Controversial Al, controversial.

But of course

I should have added "none of the new stuff threatens the civil liberties of ordinary citizens". Not as much as the terrorists do anyway.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Damn Reichstag burning terrorists. Oh, wait, wrong script.

Have you gone entirely insane?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Where exactly were all the "human rights" lawyers during the miners strike? Y'know when the Government was really threatening and taking away people's civil liberties, using violence as a form of "policing", spying on ordinary citizens for no good reason, filling the NUM with moles and spies from the top down and generally acting like a petty third world dictatorship?

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[Filuwaúrdjan]

Oh before anyone gets the wrong idea, I think the Human Rights act is good idea, I don't support the Government prying into every little detail of people's lives, I think that Dracula Howard's recent remarks are flat out insane... you get the idea.
I also think that *sometimes* the civil liberties of the nation as a whole need to be put before the civil liberties of certain individuals* and that a lot of the hand ringing about civil liberties from human rights groups is hypocritical and counterproductive; after all which is a greater infringement of civil liberties... being locked up in Belmarsh w/o trial etc. or being sent back to a country where you will also be locked up w/o trial etc. but will probably get treated inhumanly and tortured as well. I didn't especially *like* the former and I think it's worrying that things had come to that, but I cannot see how the latter is in any way better. And no, the Government cannot allow the people in question to walk around freely; to let them do so is ultimately an infringement of the civil liberties of everyone else.

*I use public transport a lot...

[Filuwaúrdjan]

" and "palestinian" is the same word as "philistine",

I've known *that* since I was about 12

[Filuwaúrdjan]

That's the most obvious one, isn't it?

Yep

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Words can be odd like that. Know where "Appalachians" comes from?