How Clinton lost Michigan - and blew the election

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The picture that emerges from state after state is similar in terms of the mentality described, which is telling. I think the suggestion that there was an actual focus on trying to win the nationwide PV figure (!!?!?!) deserves some attention in the game of Incompetence Bingo though...

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There is more than a marketing failure here.  While I think it's important to not stereotype all people, I sadly think there is a lot of truth to the idea that many working class whites would rather that nobody receives any assistance if it means that 'the others' also will receive assistance aside from themselves.

A lot of snobby white liberals have made this argument since the Great November Electoral Fiasco. It makes intuitive sense to them, I suppose; if you are raised to believe in your own superiority then you tend to believe in it still when you grow up. But though American society is riven by ethnic tensions and can't be understood without reference to them, this is an argument without any basis in observable reality whatsoever. Federal government support has been particularly associated with minorities (and especially with the most unpopular of minorities) for half a century, and yet this massive collapse in support has come about only now...

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The 'theory' explained to you by who, exactly?

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Yes that's a great way to win elections: everyone who votes for the other guy is a ****. Well so long as you're secure in your own sense of moral superiority, eh? Better than winning.

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1.Only now since the passage of Obamacare.

Hardly a programme associated with giving benefits particularly to black people. Quite unlike basically the entire of the Great Society and large parts of the New Deal.

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Pop psychology nonsense, a vague allusion to 'THE POLLS' and questionable anecdotes. All of which point, isn't this absolutely remarkable?, to the reinforcement of a 'theory' that largely seems a lot like a doubling down of blatant class prejudice... classic!

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So a cynical anecdote from a notorious cynic describing a political world that died long before most people on this forum were born? I am not impressed.

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Adopt that attitude further and the Democrats can look forward to losing many more elections to permatanned Reality TV Stars!

But this combination of Diversity Course Speak and actual Thatcherism is vomitous, although sadly typical on the American internet these days. This feels relevant...

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_{Richard Polenberg, One Nation Divisible: Class, Race and Ethnicity in the United States since 1938, (New York, 1980), pp. 226-7.}

The funny thing is that if you make it clear that you regard a certain section of society as being basically trash they tend not to vote for you in large numbers. Isn't that strange? Politics is about power, not patting yourself on the back.

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1.Social security, medicare and medicaid were for the specific benefit of minorities? Maybe if seniors are counted as minorities.

The New Deal had a number of government jobs programs that specifically excluded minority hiring.

I assume you are trying to refer to the various Civil Rights Acts but none of them were social programs.

See, I was going to avoid being too much of a dick about this but then you got all snitty about other people's reading comprehension so...

...what I wrote was this:

Hardly a programme associated with giving benefits particularly to black people. Quite unlike basically the entire of the Great Society and large parts of the New Deal.

associated

I am, of course, referring especially (though not exclusively) to federal welfare and housing programmes, the best known of which was the Aid to Families with Dependent Children programme, which was a New Deal programme expanded as part of the Great Society to include minority groups, especially black people. It then became associated almost entirely with black people. A similar story applies to the part of the 1937 Housing Act that is usually called 'Section 8' as a shorthand.

Are we clear now?

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And what does this have to do with the price of rice, exactly?

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LOL

This is such a classic internet 'oh sh!t I am losing' cop out that it fools literally no one...

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It's still your reading comprehension that is at issue.  I mentioned the welfare programs as part of the War on Poverty, but also pointed out that they were small in cost compared to medicare, medicaid and social security.  That those programs being actually associated with black people is a lying Republican talking point is another matter and it's pretty clear you're perfectly willing to spread Republican disinformation.

You still haven't shown any actual knowledge of the United States here and now I also question you reading comprehension and your integrity. You seem to be a complete sleaze.

I'm going to put you on ignore, so if you want to respond go ahead, but I don't care about a POS like you.

oh lol

Could someone please pass on to AdamT my thanks on him acknowledging my little victory in this classic and time honoured manner?