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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: November 27, 2004, 01:42:41 PM »

The Democrats have been the majority in this country since FDR.

Not true

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Changed. Unless 1968 is thought of as the present

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Almost certainly untrue. While there is no empirical evidence for this (not all states register by party. Which is stupid and seems to be designed to confuse everyone) evidence from the states that do indicate that there are a lot more registered Democrats than Republicans.
However there's a whole mountain of evidence showing that turnout among Democrats is far, far, far lower than among Republicans and that Democrats are far more likely to vote against their party than Republicans.
While the Presidential electorate was split 37/37, if you really believe that turnout was exactly the same among all demographic and political groups, then you sir, are a fool.

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There is not a shred of evidence to support that.
There is a lot of evidence to suggest that the Republican Party has a slight advantage as far as the Presidency goes, but this has been the case since 1968, and slight is better than the "lock" on the electoral collage that the GOP was assumed to have in the '80's.

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I seriously doubt that
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2004, 01:48:05 PM »

The country is *extremely* partisan right now, at least on the national level.

Really?

Then explain, if the above statement is true, how come Kerry lost West Virginia, Arkansas, Kentucky and Louisiana?

Without resorting to offensive smears please
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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2004, 02:29:27 PM »

The country is *extremely* partisan right now, at least on the national level.

Really?

Then explain, if the above statement is true, how come Kerry lost West Virginia, Arkansas, Kentucky and Louisiana?

I know that WV and AR have a Democratic majority in their Congressional delegations, but why include LA and KY?

57% of Registered voters in KY and LA are Democrats.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2004, 03:59:35 PM »

Oklahoma, too, for that matter, I believe, is primarily Democratic. Kerry didn't even win a single county there.

About 53% of Registered voters in Oklahoma are Democrats
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2004, 05:32:28 AM »

Suppose you are a registered Democrat living in Alabama and switch your party over to Republican. If you are like most people, you are probably not going to run out to the DMV and ask for your voter registration card back just so you can erase the x mark next to "Democrat" and check "Republican".

You are simply going to start voting Republican and saying that you're a Republican in public opinion polls. Which is why voter registration should be taken with a grain of salt. Change in that department is even more glacial than the Republican re-alignment in the South that took place 1964-2004.

True up to a point, but even if (say) 5% of Democrats in any of those states are "really" Republicans, Democrats would still vastly outnumber Republicans in all of those states.

The reason why I brought this up, was because danwxman said:

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Now, unless there's a new meaning to "partisan", if this were true, Kerry would have won landslides in all four states.
He didn't, so it isn't.
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2004, 05:46:09 AM »

True, but can the Democrats do a complete 180 and suddenly go back to the party that they were in 1968? To do so would require a very left-wing economic policy, basically a resumption of the war on poverty, etc. On the other hand they would have to virtually abandon key social issues like abortion.

Seems like a good idea if they want to win elections
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2004, 10:24:06 AM »

Al,

Have you thought that maybe a lot of those registered Democrats in Red...er Blue (or whatever the hell their called now) states feel the way Zel Miller feels about the party. That the Democrats have swung to far to the left and the national party is out of touch with the common blue collar man and as punishment they are voting Republican until Democrats moderate?

As I said earlier.

Very true.
My point was that danwxman had said:

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And if that were true, Kerry would have won landslides in WV, KY, AR and LA.
It hardly needs pointing out that he didn't, meaning that the U.S cannot be extremely partisan at the moment.

Sorry for any confusion
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2004, 10:26:28 AM »

I think that party registration means little.

At presidential level it doesn't, and I'm not disputing that. See above post for why I brought it up
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