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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: December 18, 2010, 11:43:55 PM »

The bigger the government, the more left-wing it is.

How can people say such stupid things with such confidence?
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2010, 08:49:42 AM »

Are all dictatorships left-wing?
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2010, 01:24:37 PM »

When the French adopted the wings, it started with the right-wing as conservative and left-wing as liberal.

Well, no. Those who sat on the left were opposed to the monarchy, those who sat on the right were supportive of it. We can apply words like 'liberal' and 'conservative' to those positions, but only with great care. Those opposed to the monarchy were, in particular, very diverse. Liberalism as an ideology was in any case as much of an expression of the other great revolution of that general period (ie; the Industrial Revolution) as that of the radical side of the French Revolution. The key point, really, is that the Left were opposed to the traditional ordering of society, while the Right were in favour of it. It has nothing - and had nothing - to do with state control in its own right. What matters are not the means, but the intentions.

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Just like that? And socialism as merely a form of 'state controlled economic structure'? That's a novel argument.

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lol

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Here you bluster and generalise but provide no actual evidence to back up your assertion. That's because there isn't any; the idea that left=state control, right=no state control is largely an American construction of the 1960s and 1970s. No one thought in terms like that before then; an argument that (for example) protectionism is left-wing because it involves state control over the economy would have been met with derisive laughter in most of Europe before the War.

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Not as much as American right-wingers find it ever-so-important to claim. Most industrialists did very well out of the Nazi regime up until quite near the end.

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Is it? How interesting. Is war then itself left-wing? And peace right-wing?

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Sub-Hayekian blather and worthless cliché.

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Of course that assumes that there is such a thing as an objective political spectrum (a curious idea that makes no logical sense) and that all dictatorships do indeed act very similarly. Which, other than in a broad sense like 'they kill people' or 'they are not democratic', is observably untrue. The internal structures and ultimate objectives of the Nazi state and the Soviet Union under Stalin had curiously little in common.
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