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Filuwaúrdjan
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« on: November 05, 2004, 08:54:58 AM »

I hope he reaches out to Democrats, but if anything I would say that the stronger imperative is for Democrats to reach out to him.  He is in charge.

NO, NO, NO

America is a DEMOCRACY not a DICTATORSHIP. In a Democracy people should be able to THINK FREELY.

Sure Bush has a Mandate to Govern. But he does NOT have a mandate to act like a tin pot dictator (not that he will).
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2004, 10:41:18 AM »

Bush won convincingly, and gained seats in the House and Senate. That's all that's necessary for a mandate to be declared.

1. Define "convincingly". Yes Bush won, no one (sane) is disputing that. But he didn't exactly walk it.
2. Bush did not gain seats in the House and Senate. The Republican Party gained seats in the Senate and (notionally*) lost seats in the House. I've not seen the popular vote figures for the House... could be interesting reading.
3. What sort of mandate? He has a mandate to Govern the U.S. He has a mandate to be hawkish. He does not have a mandate to radically transform the U.S
Everything is relative

*Counting all defections (2 D to R) Special Elections (2 R to D) as being held by orignal party, treating the Texan Five et al as Notionally Republican (which I *think* they all were)
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2004, 06:09:52 PM »

Al,
another point of syntax.  what you might refer to as 'notionally republican' is usually referred to in our media as 'ideologically conservative'  Not that I like that notation any better, but it is in the vernacular.  Thus, the US congress has long had an ideological majority one way or another, even during times of absolute partisan contol changeover, so your point is well taken.

what you may overlook, however, is a subtler point of rules, regulations, assignments, etc.  The Texas 5 et al may have been part of an ideological majority, either way, but for majority/minority leaders/whips, rules, etc. all Dems (excepting Traficant) and all Reps (excepting sometimes Jeffords) voted with their respective parties.  So a change from a "conservative democrat" to a republican is a real change.  believe it.

Actually it's more for the purposes of comparing elections than power in the House etc.

This is what I mean by a notional result:

If the 2002 elections had been fought on the 2004 Congressional districts [this applies to TX only] the GOP would have won the most votes in each of the six districts DeLay screwed the incumbent Dem in.
So that's six gains for the GOP via the re-districting, however as Edwards pulled a houdini in Waco, the Dems gained a seat back.
Obviously in terms of raw power crunching in the House this is different. But it makes it easier to compare electoral results.

We do that over here every Boundary Change. Makes things easier for people obsessed with elections :-)

Check this out: http://www.election.demon.co.uk/bcsum.html
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Filuwaúrdjan
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2004, 04:13:44 AM »

serious g obsession you have there.

what's plaid cymru, by the way.  I know the second word is the welsh name for wales, but is it more of a laborers party or a fatcat's party?  or is it just enthnicity that binds them?

Plaid Cymru translates as "Wales Party". They're basically Welsh Nationalists. Most of their votes and all of their seats (4) come from West Wales (the only majority Welsh speaking area).

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Didn't deny that

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"Sleazy, but very impressive" sums it up fairly well
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