Eurovision controversies

[ingemann]

Israel’s got a lukewarm reception among the professional juries, while it have come second in audience score after Croatia and before Ukraine, the winner Switzerland would only have gotten a fifth place if only the audience voted.

UK got zero point among the audience, I would say it was surprising except I think the song deserved minus point. It was the worst song in the show.

[ingemann]

No controversy. The best song won. As it deserved to. 🇨🇭🇨🇭🇨🇭

Technically it was best song. As was France. I'm glad the public liked it too.

It was a boring song, I think the Croatian song was vastly better. I would have placed the Swiss song in the middle of the field.

[ingemann]

Has anyone noticed the biggest controversy here? It's not Israel-Palestine When I was talking about real minorities, I was referencing the fact that the Croat act is from Istria. And yet while Switzerland was allowed to market their entire act of identity politics, had the nice gentleman from Istria flown the Istrian flag, he would have been banned. Also, someone was blocked from bringing an EU flag. To a Eurovision song contest.

It’s part of the Israel-Palestine controversy, it was to avoid turning the show into a even bigger clown show by having people bringing Palestinian or worse Hamas flags in.

[ingemann]

Has anyone noticed the biggest controversy here? It's not Israel-Palestine When I was talking about real minorities, I was referencing the fact that the Croat act is from Istria. And yet while Switzerland was allowed to market their entire act of identity politics, had the nice gentleman from Istria flown the Istrian flag, he would have been banned. Also, someone was blocked from bringing an EU flag. To a Eurovision song contest.

It’s part of the Israel-Palestine controversy, it was to avoid turning the show into a even bigger clown show by having people bringing Palestinian or worse Hamas flags in.

Oh yeah the EU and Istrian flags are definitely comparable to bringing a Hamas flag.

It was a last moment decision in a pretty chaotic landscape, the ban was obvious not meant to be extended to EU or regional European flags, but when you’re dealing with security guards you give them a list of what is banned rather than letting them use their own judgment.

So get over it and move on.

[ingemann]

Israel’s got a lukewarm reception among the professional juries, while it have come second in audience score after Croatia and before Ukraine, the winner Switzerland would only have gotten a fifth place if only the audience voted.

UK got zero point among the audience, I would say it was surprising except I think the song deserved minus point. It was the worst song in the show.

Well Western Europe def voted en masse for Israel.

It's just Eastern Europe didn't, instead going for Croatia and/or Ukraine. And given Israel didn't win the televote but had far more twelve points, there are definitely some anomalies were Israel did perform much worse among the public vote.

Outside Ukraine and Croatia every single East European country voted for Israel.

[ingemann]

Has anyone noticed the biggest controversy here? It's not Israel-Palestine When I was talking about real minorities, I was referencing the fact that the Croat act is from Istria. And yet while Switzerland was allowed to market their entire act of identity politics, had the nice gentleman from Istria flown the Istrian flag, he would have been banned. Also, someone was blocked from bringing an EU flag. To a Eurovision song contest.

It’s part of the Israel-Palestine controversy, it was to avoid turning the show into a even bigger clown show by having people bringing Palestinian or worse Hamas flags in.

Oh yeah the EU and Istrian flags are definitely comparable to bringing a Hamas flag.

It was a last moment decision in a pretty chaotic landscape, the ban was obvious not meant to be extended to EU or regional European flags, but when you’re dealing with security guards you give them a list of what is banned rather than letting them use their own judgment.

So get over it and move on.

Which is why the solution was to let Palestinian flags in and let Israel throw a tantrum and pull out.

No, the solution would have been to plan for this earlier, and allowed EU and regional flags in, instead of having to plan for this in the last moment. We should not allow people to pollute every single culture moment just because they have a cause, they think should fill everything.

[ingemann]

There’s two far better reason for why Israel did well.

1: They had one of the better songs.

2: The booing almost certainly drove up their vote.

All the drama around Israel from some countries likely also drove some to not vote for these countries, I think that especially Ireland and Greece underperformed compared to how good their songs were.