Texas: two gunmen shot dead after opening fire at Mohammed cartoon contest

[ingemann]

This is what the organizers wanted in order to prove their point.

"Your honour, she was asking for it."

[ingemann]

I wouldn't mourn for Geert Wilders but I certainly wouldn't want to him to be shot by terrorists.

The usual suspects think that opponents of terrorism must applaud the courageous acts of far-right Islamophobes. I think this exhibit is vile, disrespectful and stupid. I wouldn't shed a tear for Geer Wilders or anyone in this contest if they were to be shot. With that being said, I'm glad they weren't shot. That would be bad because they're people.

What is vile or disrespectful about it?  Nobody ever seems to have an answer as to why a cartoon of Mohammed is offensive whatsoever. 

I personally dislike that people spit on someone else's taboos and rituals. Sadly these morons (the terrorists) end up justifying the acts of people like Wilders, by how they react to them.

[ingemann]

This is what the organizers wanted in order to prove their point.

"Your honour, she was asking for it."

I think you are missing the point here. There are people out there who don't necessarily mind seeing something violent happen if it proves their point.

The point is that it doesn't matter, and you bringing it end up, no matter how you mean it, as a defense for the people commiting violence. Are the victims of this violence a bunch of bigoted assholes; yes, but that's not really important, or it stop being important when other people react with violence.

[ingemann]

This is what the organizers wanted in order to prove their point.

"Your honour, she was asking for it."

I think you are missing the point here. There are people out there who don't necessarily mind seeing something violent happen if it proves their point.

The point is that it doesn't matter, and you bringing it end up, no matter how you mean it, as a defense for the people committing violence. Are the victims of this violence a bunch of bigoted assholes; yes, but that's not really important, or it stop being important when other people react with violence.

Uh, no, it was not a defense, it was a valid point about why the event was held in the first place. Do you really think these people would have put on this event if they weren't looking for some sort of reaction?

When a artist craft a work which mock Christianity do he expect violence? No not really he expect to spread his message. In the same way these event serve primary to spread a message, it's not a complex suicide attempt.

[ingemann]

I guess if the Catholic Church had send a assassin after Andres Serrano, TheDeadFlagBlues and his ilk would attack Andres Serrano.

[ingemann]

I guess if the Catholic Church had send a assassin after Andres Serrano, TheDeadFlagBlues and his ilk would attack Andres Serrano.

Nope. I don't think Andres Serrano is a bigot, I just think his art is terrible/tasteless.

Geert Wilders is a politician of ill-repute who has attempted to stir up hate and bigotry. Andres Serrano is an artist who makes terrible art. One of these things is not like the other.

So if Geert Wilders political career was one long performance art project, you would suddenly find it okay?

[ingemann]

I guess if the Catholic Church had send a assassin after Andres Serrano, TheDeadFlagBlues and his ilk would attack Andres Serrano.

Nope. I don't think Andres Serrano is a bigot, I just think his art is terrible/tasteless.

Geert Wilders is a politician of ill-repute who has attempted to stir up hate and bigotry. Andres Serrano is an artist who makes terrible art. One of these things is not like the other.

So if Geert Wilders political career was one long performance art project, you would suddenly find it okay?

This is a strange counter-factual. His career clearly isn't a performance art project. Even if Geert Wilders' political career was one long performance art project, I'm not sure how I would react because that would be utterly surreal. I'd like to think I would condemn him for promoting bigotry though.

I don't know what your point is ingemann. Are you irritated that I said "I wouldn't shed a tear for Geert Wilders"? That's pretty accurate, I hate him and condemn this project. Why do you think this means that I support terrorists?

What weird is that you make this distinction between why people mock others. That's it somehow more okay, if you think it's art. It seem more a way to be excuse violence than any deeply held ideal.

[ingemann]

This is part of a bas-relief sculpture at the US Supreme Court.  The person who created it probably had no idea about the taboo among muslims and it's in the context of other historical figures. 

Is this offensive because it depicts Mohammed?  No.

If all contemporary depictions of Muhammad were as respectful as the one on the Supreme Court, I wouldn't feel inclined to criticize those who were responsible for them.

You're aware that that depictions are much more insulting towards Muslims than any Muhammed cartoon? He depictured touching the Quran with his LEFT hand. It's hard to imagine a more insulting depiction.