Bernie wins Clark county NV convention vote

[Minnesota Mike]

Nice win for Ron Paul. Sorry,  I mean Bernie Sanders.

Probably means a flip of 3-5 Nation delegates.

[Minnesota Mike]

If it were Hillary taking away delegates that Bernie rightfully won, the Sandernistas would be shrieking right now...

Big picture this changes absolutely nothing, Hillary has this locked.

BTW what are the odds a President Clinton will support Nevada being an early state in 2020?

[Minnesota Mike]

Hopefully the DNC refuses to seat the NV delegation. This is absurd.

Nah, just a function of the asinine caucus system.  I'm a Hillary guy but the rules are the rules no matter how stupid they are and Bernie is now likely to win Nevada.

[Minnesota Mike]

If it were Hillary taking away delegates that Bernie rightfully won, the Sandernistas would be shrieking right now...

Bernie didn't take away anything. National delegates aren't determined until the final round of caucuses, which this is not.

You can cling to your technicalities all you want when it's Bernie, but we all know that you would be the Ringleader of the Venom if the tables were turned.

Bernie lost ground in a lot of Iowa caucuses in the 2nd round, and you didn't hear a peep about them. Obama tended to do better in later rounds of caucuses, and all those delegates were seated at the convention.

LOL. The Berniebots are still crying foul.

[Minnesota Mike]

If it were Hillary taking away delegates that Bernie rightfully won, the Sandernistas would be shrieking right now...

Bernie didn't take away anything. National delegates aren't determined until the final round of caucuses, which this is not.

And then thankfully the DNC credentials committee will take over and will restore a delegation that will reflect the will of the Nevadan people.

Sure, if they want 1968 all over again.

Doubt there are riots over a couple Nevada delegates when Hillary has at minimum a 200 delegate lead (not counting supers) at the convention.

[Minnesota Mike]

Anyway, this is apparently pretty academic. According the Nevada Democratic party rules the district delegates won't change, no matter the results of county and CD conventions.
Only the apportionment of at-large delegates can change if more Sanders than Clinton people show up at the state convention.
Worst case scenario for her: a 18/17 split instead of the original 20/15.

Well there you have it. Clinton wins Nevada (Cue Bernie bots claiming Nevada was stolen).

[Minnesota Mike]

Bernie won in the Washoe County Convention, 749-618. Washoe is in CD2.

That is almost exactly his February margin. 

[Minnesota Mike]

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/apr/02/sanders-wins-most-delegates-at-clark-county-conven/

Because of the way delegate selection works in Nevada, 23 delegates to the Democratic National Committee are selected on the district level, based proportionally on the Feb. 20 caucus results. Only five pledged party leaders and elected official delegates and seven at-large delegates will be selected proportionally based on party preference of the state convention.

[Minnesota Mike]

Regardless if you are Clinton or Sanders supporter this is a f*^ked up way to pick a Presidential candidate.  

[Minnesota Mike]

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/apr/02/sanders-wins-most-delegates-at-clark-county-conven/

Because of the way delegate selection works in Nevada, 23 delegates to the Democratic National Committee are selected on the district level, based proportionally on the Feb. 20 caucus results. Only five pledged party leaders and elected official delegates and seven at-large delegates will be selected proportionally based on party preference of the state convention.

That's not what Green Papers says or how it worked in 2008.

The rules were changed to specifically prevent what happened in 2008 from occurring again.

Nope. It's pretty clear if you read the document rather than assuming that Ralston has any idea what he's talking about.

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http://nvdems.3cdn.net/efafb4788ed845d0d3_08m6i2zsp.pdf

I agree the rules are as clear as mud but the key section is at the bottom of page 8, top of page 9.

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Determining step is the the key phrase.  The district delegates are determind by the Feb 20 precinct caucuses

[Minnesota Mike]

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/apr/02/sanders-wins-most-delegates-at-clark-county-conven/

Because of the way delegate selection works in Nevada, 23 delegates to the Democratic National Committee are selected on the district level, based proportionally on the Feb. 20 caucus results. Only five pledged party leaders and elected official delegates and seven at-large delegates will be selected proportionally based on party preference of the state convention.

That's not what Green Papers says or how it worked in 2008.

The rules were changed to specifically prevent what happened in 2008 from occurring again.

Nope. It's pretty clear if you read the document rather than assuming that Ralston has any idea what he's talking about.

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http://nvdems.3cdn.net/efafb4788ed845d0d3_08m6i2zsp.pdf

I agree the rules are as clear as mud but the key section is at the bottom of page 8, top of page 9.

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Determining step is the the key phrase.  The district delegates are determind by the Feb 20 precinct caucuses

The word determining probably shouldn't be there. Right before that there's this. The second and third tiers clearly matter.

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FWIW Clinton campaign claims they still have a majority of delegates in Nevada.

https://twitter.com/brianefallon/status/716445269861093377

[Minnesota Mike]

Based on the fact that the Nevada Delegate Selection Plan calls the Feb 20 vote non-binding, and Section 7.a. therein, I'm led to believe that the May 14 vote is independent of today's vote, as today's vote was independent of the Feb 20 vote.

That's what I've been saying. It's a 3 tier process. This was the 2nd tier. The 3rd tier is the one who actually choose the national convention delegates. So while it's looking good for Bernie, things aren't set in stone until the state convention.

I respectfully disagree and will leave it at that.

BTW question for the Nevadans who attended today's Clark county convention, did they break delegates  down by congressional district or just county wide?

[Minnesota Mike]

BTW question for the Nevadans who attended today's Clark county convention, did they break delegates  down by congressional district or just county wide?

The entire convention hall remained as one group of county-wide delegates.

Hard to see how they can change the District delegate allocation if they did not vote by district.

[Minnesota Mike]

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They won't have to change the district-delegate allocation until May 14th.
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But since Clark county elected delegates to the next stage without regard to congressional district how would they determine the proper delegates voting in each congressional district?  

[Minnesota Mike]

BTW question for the Nevadans who attended today's Clark county convention, did they break delegates  down by congressional district or just county wide?

The entire convention hall remained as one group of county-wide delegates.

Hard to see how they can change the District delegate allocation if they did not vote by district.

Might be something we won't know until the State Convention, though with those figures for Clark it does appear likely that Sanders gains a delegate and Clinton loses 1 in at least CD-4 considering that she barely made it 4-2 instead of 3-3 on Caucus night.

Again, most reports are that the congressional district delegates were set by the results of the Feb precinct caucuses, only the at large delegates can change at the state convention. Unless of course the media are all wrong (not impossible). 

[Minnesota Mike]

What bothers me the most is that likely a lot of hardworking Latino people were disenfranchised so that some white college kids can continue their Bernie fantasy for a little longer.

Exactly. Those maids and kitchen staff at the Strip Hotels who barely got off for an hour in February  were not fully represented today. You should not have to commit several weekends to have your vote count.  Not Sanders or Clinton's fault but the system has to change.

[Minnesota Mike]

BTW question for the Nevadans who attended today's Clark county convention, did they break delegates  down by congressional district or just county wide?

The entire convention hall remained as one group of county-wide delegates.

Hard to see how they can change the District delegate allocation if they did not vote by district.

Might be something we won't know until the State Convention, though with those figures for Clark it does appear likely that Sanders gains a delegate and Clinton loses 1 in at least CD-4 considering that she barely made it 4-2 instead of 3-3 on Caucus night.

There's a good chance Bernie also wins CD1, which gives him a 19-16 delegate split.

Again, most reports are that the congressional district delegates were set by the results of the Feb precinct caucuses, only the at large delegates can change at the state convention. Unless of course the media are all wrong (not impossible).  

By most reports, you mean where Ralston failed to read the full context of what he was quoting?

Not Ralston.

http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/apr/02/sanders-wins-most-delegates-at-clark-county-conven/