Polygamy the next big thing.

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1) Like homosexuality, it's one of those things where the stigma against it is primarily custom-based. People have a strong knee-jerk negative reaction to it, but there aren't necessarily very good reasons for that reaction.

Uhhhh... most guys can't support one wife and one child without Herculean effort.  If you want to see our welfare rolls explode and even more dysfunctional children then by all means encourage polygamy.

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1) Like homosexuality, it's one of those things where the stigma against it is primarily custom-based. People have a strong knee-jerk negative reaction to it, but there aren't necessarily very good reasons for that reaction.

Uhhhh... most guys can't support one wife and one child without Herculean effort.  If you want to see our welfare rolls explode and even more dysfunctional children then by all means encourage polygamy.

Time warp to the 1950's? Most wives today also can work, you know.

Uhhh... yeah.  Two income household.  TWO people sharing TWO salaries.  You start adding other women and a geometric increase in children and the guys end of bargain isn't just being split two ways, man.

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This is an absurd argument man. For every mouth you add, you also add another hand.

How many countries have you lived in with wide spread polygamy?

And I don't know what Jews have to do with this.

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Hard to imagine a man wanting more than one wife. That would make life way too complicated.

True.  I'm immediately suspicious of anyone that would want to be in a polygamous marriage.  I've spent the majority of my adult life avoiding monogamous marriage.  I just don't see how you properly cover all your child rearing, economic, and sexual obligations while at the same time navigating two times of the month every lunar cycle.  You could be spending almost a third of your life dealing with that.

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Why does everyone assume we are talking about polygyny and not polyandry?

Because they are normal.

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Why does everyone assume we are talking about polygyny and not polyandry?

Because they are normal.

No, they are not.

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Why does everyone assume we are talking about polygyny and not polyandry?

Because they are normal.

No, they are not.

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Neither does Polygamy or Polygyny.

I have lived and spent time in multiple countries where polygamy is widespread.  What I am posting in this thread is not theory, my friend.

I like the Atlantic.  I have a subscription to it.  But I also have a passport.  Reading a highbrow left leaning rag is not a substitute for on the ground research.

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Why does everyone assume we are talking about polygyny and not polyandry?

Because they are normal.

No, they are not.

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Neither does Polygamy or Polygyny.

I have live and spent time in multiple countries where polygamy is widespread.  What I am posting in this thread is not theory, my friend.

No doubt. But it does not exist in most of the world either. More of the world, sure, but not most. But the existence of Polyandry is not zero (May need a sub for those two articles).

Here is an incomplete map of the polygamy world...



Anyone who puts that conservative estimate in the same sentence as polyandry is kidding themselves.  If we all lived in Tibet we would be having a different conversation.  Fortunately we don't.

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And this proves...?

It is normal for people to react within the confines of cultural norms.  If they are by and large unaware of polyandry why would they care about it or bring it up in this thread?

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And this proves...?

It is normal for people to react within the confines of cultural norms.  If they are by and large unaware of polyandry why would they care about it or bring it up in this thread?

Fair enough.

Except that if Polygamy is going to through a period of 'normalization' like homosexuality has done and which it will have to in order to be legalized then most of those norms will have to come into question by definition. But no doubt, you would probably be proved (mostly) right.

My point was not that polyandry doesn't exist.  Clearly it does.  Even if I didn't know about it I can't rule out it's existence somewhere on the planet.

My point was it does not surprise me no one would bring it up.  We have tons of immigrants in this country who come from polygamous societies and actually have polygamy in their families.  And of course there are the Mormons.

The thing is as far as I know marriage structures arouse to address issues that various cultures had to deal with.  It's not like some guy saw a porn movie with some GGB action and thought man that's hot!  I have seen studies that have postulated that introduction of modern technology into areas with incompatible marriage structures may be responsible for a large chunk of the issues we see in large swaths of the globe.

I see no benefit to the broader society for making polygamy legal.  Every culture has rules for marriage.  You change them at your own peril.  Given the way our society has evolved gay marriage makes sense.  You can enjoy all the benefits of a two income household (tax breaks, inheritance, etc).  There is no down side to society.

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Here is an incomplete map of the polygamy world...



Anyone who puts that conservative estimate in the same sentence as polyandry is kidding themselves.  If we all lived in Tibet we would be having a different conversation.  Fortunately we don't.

Swaziland and South Africa should be Green, no?

The map is incomplete.  I can tell you for a fact I have lived in at least one country that has polygamy and it is not green on the map.

I am against polygamy as well, but in a modern Western context it would likely be about 50% polyandry/50% polygyny outside of Islamic circles.

I don't know of too many women that would be into polygamy and I don't know any guys who would be into polyandry.  That 50/50 estimate is a bit high.

There are a lot of problems with polygamy - it almost always disenfranchises women, and to be honest in a first world country it doesn't make a lot of economic sense.

I agree.  People are just talking.  I've seen polygamy up close and it sucks for the women and children.  In old school agrarian societies where women couldn't own property and everyone (men and women) had to get married it made some sense because there were always more women than men but in a modern society it makes no sense.