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Krago
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« Reply #125 on: November 06, 2022, 04:13:39 PM »
« edited: November 06, 2022, 04:17:28 PM by Krago »

Just for jots and tittles, what if the Ontario Commission decided not to cross Victoria Park Ave?

It could look something like this.





Brampton--Caledon   117,187

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« Reply #126 on: November 06, 2022, 04:21:46 PM »

And for you Toronto NDP types, here's a close-up of the only riding you're interested in.

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« Reply #127 on: November 06, 2022, 10:27:00 PM »

The Etobicoke North - Malton riding does make sense in terms of the communities of interest/demographics/SES here.  Is the commission not allowed to cross the 416 boundaries because of the legislation that forces Toronto (the city) to have the same boundaries municipally as these ridings?

The Commissioners can do anything they want, as long as they don't mess with the Acadians.
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« Reply #128 on: November 10, 2022, 02:38:08 PM »
« Edited: November 10, 2022, 03:17:41 PM by Krago »

WHAT IF...

... the Ontario Boundaries Commission decides to let Northern Ontario keep its tenth seat?  Where can it squeeze an extra riding out of Southern Ontario?

Here is my proposal.  I'm sure those downtown Toronto members won't mind.





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« Reply #129 on: November 10, 2022, 08:52:01 PM »

16 more posts and you can see my beautiful maps.

Or send me a DM and I will email them to you.
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« Reply #130 on: November 11, 2022, 07:38:13 PM »

I am using my 1,012th post to declare that my proposed electoral map for Canada has been re-opened to add the "Welcome Back Algoma--Manitoulin--Kapuskasing/Goodbye Toronto Centre" proposal.

https://www.bit.ly/Canada343
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« Reply #131 on: November 13, 2022, 03:56:07 PM »

Another version of Downtown Toronto for the "Northern Ontario 10" alternative.

Forest Hill and Chinatown are no longer split between ridings.  Better or worse?

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« Reply #132 on: November 16, 2022, 11:09:22 AM »

Thoughts?



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« Reply #133 on: November 17, 2022, 03:18:54 PM »
« Edited: November 17, 2022, 04:59:37 PM by Krago »

The Nova Scotia Commission has released its final report.

https://redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca/com/ns/rprt/index_e.aspx


Here is the map:  https://redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca/ebv/en/?locale=en-ca&prov=ns


The four Halifax-area seats range in population from +12% to +19% above the provincial quota.

The other seven seats range from -15% to +8%.

There is a new 'post-industrial' seat in Cape Breton called Sydney--Glace Bay.
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« Reply #134 on: November 29, 2022, 12:14:31 PM »

The Prince Edward Island Commission has released its report.

https://redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca/com/pei/rprt/index_e.aspx

Here's the map.  I don't know why it can't show multiple layers (Current and Report) at the same time.

https://redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca/ebv/en/?locale=en-ca&prov=pe
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« Reply #135 on: December 01, 2022, 09:47:18 AM »


This is one of the most thorough boundary reports I've ever read.  It goes into incredible detail about why they made their decisions, and mentions (and rejects) alternative options (including mine).

Here is my favourite paragraph:  "Effective representation can be achieved by various configurations. The Commission's proposal for most ridings was generally well accepted except for these provincial changes. In such circumstances, unless an option proposed by others represented an obvious improvement over the Proposal, substantially changing the redistribution plan suggested in the Proposal, which formed the basis of extensive public consultation and input, could undermine confidence in the electoral boundaries readjustment process. The Commission is of the view that this would be contrary to the spirit and intent of the Act. Public consultation and feedback are integral and essential to the process, and the Act does not provide for a second round of public consultation."

In other words, the Commission decided to split Saint John and any attempt to stick it back together would be illegal.
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« Reply #136 on: December 02, 2022, 05:14:48 PM »

This is definitely worth your time:

The Writ Podcast - Ep. #71: Canada's changing electoral map
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« Reply #137 on: December 02, 2022, 05:48:51 PM »

Krago, were you the one that submitted the national map to them?

Always the bridesmaid...


Here are the ideal federal boundaries for Niagara Region.

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« Reply #138 on: January 27, 2023, 05:28:22 PM »
« Edited: January 31, 2023, 08:32:12 PM by Krago »

The hearings at the Procedure and House Affairs Committee for the reports of the four Atlantic provinces’ boundaries commissions are taking place on Tuesday January 31 from 11am to 1pm EST.

And they will be televised!

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Committees/en/PROC


Here's the televised hearing:
https://www.cpac.ca/episode?id=5328e8d3-ffdd-447e-b661-0fa36f11aa74
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« Reply #139 on: February 01, 2023, 12:20:16 AM »

The Redistribution Timeline for Quebec has changed.  Their electoral boundaries report will be released in 'Early February 2023'.

https://redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca/com/qc/index_e.aspx


Also, the Procedure and House Affairs Committee will be discussing the Manitoba and Saskatchewan reports on Thursday from 11am to 1pm.  Daniel Blaikie will be presenting on both provinces.

https://www.ourcommons.ca/DocumentViewer/en/44-1/PROC/meeting-49/notice
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« Reply #140 on: February 01, 2023, 10:33:46 PM »
« Edited: February 02, 2023, 12:30:15 PM by Krago »

Here's a Nova Scotia Alternative Map that no one will approve of.

I've added a second alternative map that keeps Cumberland--Colchester riding unchanged.  The Membertou reserve would be moved from the proposed Sydney--Glace Bay to place all five Mi'kmaq communities in Cape Breton in the same riding (Cape Breton/Unama'ki--Canso--Antigonish).
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« Reply #141 on: February 02, 2023, 01:06:53 PM »

Jasper--Banff--Canmore?  Who the f**k proposed that?

https://redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca/ebv/en/?locale=en-ca&prov=ab
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« Reply #142 on: February 06, 2023, 04:06:24 PM »

Realistically does anything change once the final reports are in? I was under the impression that the maps are now more or less final and that any House of Commons hearings now are just MPs putting objections in the record but nothing will change

Sit right back, and you'll hear a tale...

During the 2002-03 Redistribution cycle, I submitted a bunch of proposals to the Ontario Commission.  The only one they accepted was my plan for four seats in Waterloo Region.  I even got a shout-out in their final report!

My suggestions included creating a riding comprised solely of the City of Cambridge.  Another riding would take suburban Kitchener and add to it the four rural townships (Wilmot, Wellesley, Woolwich, North Dumfries) to create Kitchener-Conestoga.  I chose the name 'Conestoga' because it was used as a regional name in the area (Conestoga College, Conestoga Mall, Conestoga Parkway); having one riding named 'Kitchener-Waterloo' and another called 'Kitchener-Waterloo Region' was a non-starter.

One person who didn't like my plan was the Liberal MP for Cambridge, Janko Peric.  He insisted that North Dumfries had to be included with Cambridge, regardless of how beautifully the populations balanced.  His objections were included in the House Committee's report that was sent to the Commission.  The Commission accepted his objection, noted that the population change wasn't too bad, and changed my perfect boundaries to move North Dumfries township from Kitchener-Conestoga to Cambridge.

Fortunately, karma is a b***h.  In the 2004 federal election, Peric narrowly won the city of Cambridge, but lost North Dumfries by a slightly larger margin.  As a result, Gary Goodyear won the riding of Cambridge for the Conservatives by 224 votes.
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« Reply #143 on: February 08, 2023, 10:31:26 PM »
« Edited: February 08, 2023, 10:38:42 PM by Krago »

The B.C. report is out.

https://redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca/com/bc/rprt/index_e.aspx

Here are some better maps:

https://redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca/com/bc/rprt/othaut/p3_e.aspx


It features the first federal riding named after a Borg: Vancouver Arbutus.

Jagmeet Singh may have to fly back to Brampton.

Two Kamloops ridings are twice the fun!

Of the 43 ridings, 32 are within 5% of the provincial quotient, 10 are between 5%-10%, and just one (Skeena--Bulkley Valley) is beyond 10%.



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« Reply #144 on: February 10, 2023, 01:30:39 PM »

The Ontario Report is out, and honestly, it's pretty good.

The Commissioners took local input very seriously, even if they had to exceed their self-imposed 10% limit.

https://redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca/com/on/rprt/on_rprt_e.pdf

https://redecoupage-redistribution-2022.ca/com/on/rprt/index_e.aspx
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« Reply #145 on: February 11, 2023, 01:43:12 AM »

Hey Hatman! I have an Ottawa-ish question for you.

Should the Commission have followed the existing federal boundaries west of Kanata?  It would have kept Stittsville together.
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« Reply #146 on: February 13, 2023, 10:11:30 PM »
« Edited: February 13, 2023, 10:15:07 PM by Krago »

I’ve had a chance to thoroughly review the final report of the Ontario Commission, and I’m very impressed by the excellent job they have done.  This is despite (and more likely, because of) ignoring all my recommended boundaries.

The Commission made a real effort to listen to all the submissions they received, and fulfill the requests to the greatest extent possible.  The most controversial boundary they chose was to add northern Brant County to the adjoining part of Hamilton, which is what I suggested!  Instead of trying to fit every (Southern Ontario) riding within a +/-10% population window, they were willing to go beyond that to make everybody happy.  Even though Essex/Kent/Lambton counties have seen their representation get shortchanged, I doubt if anyone is complaining about it.

Here are a few areas where the Commission should double-check their work.

•   There are only a handful of people who live in the Algonquin Park portion of Nipissing—Timiskaming.  However, they are much more accessible from Huntsville than from North Bay.

•   I don’t understand why they let Stittsville remain divided between two seats when they could have just followed the existing federal boundary in the area and kept Stittsville together.

•   I don’t know enough about the west end of Ottawa to understand if Golden Ave is the western limit of Westboro neighbourhood, but that jog around Berkley Ave, Tay St, and Dominion Ave seems rather odd to me.

•   Having the residents living on the south side of Innes Ave, from Hwy 417 to Navan Rd, vote in Prescott—Russell—Cumberland seems wrong.  In fact, why don’t they dip the Ottawa—Vanier—Gloucester boundary south to the trail link (former railway line) and follow the current Orleans boundary to put Mer Bleue in Carleton riding?

•   Skipping all the way down to Toronto, I’m certain Jill Andrews is not happy about removing the area south of Vaughan Rd and west of Winona Dr from her riding.

•   Castle Frank Cres should be in the same seat as Rosedale.  Using Rosedale Valley Rd from Sherbourne St to the Don River makes more sense.

•   The Commission used Atlantic Ave as the eastern boundary of Taiaiako’n—Parkdale—High Park to keep all of ‘Little Tibet’ in the riding, as the expense of splitting Liberty Village.  I don’t know if there is a better dividing line, but a slight jog to the east along King St would avoid having a riding boundary run through a Longo’s parking lot.

•   A friend suggests that ‘old’ Western Hill (east of Louth St) should be in the same riding as downtown St. Catharines since it contains Ridley College and the VIA train station.

•   The Woodlands of Sunset long-term care home is still divided between Niagara West and Niagara South.  They will continue to vote in different ridings federally and provincially.

•   The Commission moved the NW corner of Halton Region, containing Brookville, from Wellington—Halton Hills North to Burlington North—Milton West without explanation.  BNMW has 20K more people than WHHN.

•   The only change in Guelph was to move a new condo full of students (The Solstice I at Gordon and Arkell) from the ‘city’ riding to the ‘country’ riding.  Again, without explanation.

•   And finally, the border between Kitchener Centre and Kitchener South—Hespeler follows Fairway Dr until it turns south along Woolner Trail to the Grand River.  Fairway Dr ended there until the new bridge was finished over the Grand River.  I would suggest following Fairway Dr to the river.
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« Reply #147 on: February 14, 2023, 10:28:16 PM »
« Edited: February 15, 2023, 06:26:25 AM by Krago »

I have prepared an alternative map for Ottawa that:
- keeps Stittsville together in a single riding
- uses a simpler boundary in the Westboro area, north of Richmond Rd
- places voters on both sides of Innes Rd (from Hwy 417 to Navan Rd) in the same riding
- places voters on both sides of Hwy 417 (from Hunt Club Rd to Carlsbad Rd/Frontier Rd) in the same riding

You can find my alternative map here:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=18OrFn4Zs3JXgs9Yj-0LXuPgCN8vB94E&usp=sharing
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« Reply #148 on: February 15, 2023, 08:04:31 AM »

I have prepared an alternative map for B.C. that has:
- one riding entirely within the City of Delta
- four ridings entirely within the City of Surrey
- one riding that is shared between the City of Surrey and the City of White Rock
- one riding that is shared between the City of Langley and Langley Township
- one riding that is shared between Langley Township and the City of Abbotsford

This alternative provides a better option for maintaining municipal boundaries in the area while respecting communities of interest and keeping all riding populations within 5% of the provincial quotient.

You can find my alternative map here:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1150adWRwtUO76J5OD4KvAMCwM9nVorA&usp=sharing
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« Reply #149 on: February 15, 2023, 10:23:59 AM »

I have prepared an alternative map for Ottawa that:
- keeps Stittsville together in a single riding
- uses a simpler boundary in the Westboro area, north of Richmond Rd
- places voters on both sides of Innes Rd (from Hwy 417 to Navan Rd) in the same riding
- places voters on both sides of Hwy 417 (from Hunt Club Rd to Carlsbad Rd/Frontier Rd) in the same riding

You can find my alternative map here:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=18OrFn4Zs3JXgs9Yj-0LXuPgCN8vB94E&usp=sharing

much better!

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