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tmcusa2
Junior Chimp
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« on: September 30, 2015, 11:52:14 AM »

It is part of a much bigger problem that goes pretty much ignored. We need real 'democratic' reform in so many ways, but people are so locked into the foolish "lesser of two evils" "two party system" mindset and are more focused on a few narrow issues.
There are many ways to reform the system (not just irv, although that is one reasonable way), but until voters demand change nothing is going to change.
Most people are pretty unhappy with both parties and their do nothing attitudes which causes gridlock, and yet they refuse to even consider voting any other way than they do which means that in a sense they get what they vote for. I wonder how many of them are supporting Trump for this reason, although I don't see him making any reforms in voting.
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tmcusa2
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2015, 12:20:36 PM »


Don't break the system. It's perfect. Democracy isn't.

I would like the rest of the states to be arranged into groups or something better. I liked the alternating proposal from a few years back. Some sort of detail for taking a couple states from each region on each voting day would be cool.

You say that the system is perfect and in the next paragraph advocate changing it.
Why isn't that a contradiction?
If the alternative of a nationwide primary is not ideal, that still doesn't mean that the same three states should always get to go first. There is a certain logic to having the current system since it eliminates weak candidates, however, so I can understand your argument a little bit.
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tmcusa2
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2015, 02:08:47 PM »


Don't break the system. It's perfect. Democracy isn't.

I would like the rest of the states to be arranged into groups or something better. I liked the alternating proposal from a few years back. Some sort of detail for taking a couple states from each region on each voting day would be cool.

You say that the system is perfect and in the next paragraph advocate changing it.
Why isn't that a contradiction?
If the alternative of a nationwide primary is not ideal, that still doesn't mean that the same three states should always get to go first. There is a certain logic to having the current system since it eliminates weak candidates, however, so I can understand your argument a little bit.

It's not a contradiction. The traditional aspects of the system work. The parts that change every single cycle dont. SEC primary day is ludicrous. There should be a sensible arrangement similar to what the first three do.
ok, thanks for clarifying that
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