opebo Week: A Celebration of His Life & Times

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While Joe Republic is an exception to this, it's hilarious to see most of the Obepo haters attack his simple, if wrongheaded, defenses of child abuse, while they simultaneously literally worship at the alter of organizations that have systematically enganged in and covered up such behavior since time immemorial. Perhaps if we can simply buy Obepo a cassock, he will not only be reinstated but also have statues of him built so that future generations may know him also.

The clergy needs to be purged. The fact that the largest Christian denomination, for one, has yet to properly embark upon this mission is a disgrace. Many people happen not to have switches in their heads regulating their beliefs that they can simply turn on and off in response to that fact. Which is part of why the clergy needs so badly to be purged.

I'm a bit lost about the switch part.

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While Joe Republic is an exception to this, it's hilarious to see most of the Obepo haters attack his simple, if wrongheaded, defenses of child abuse, while they simultaneously literally worship at the alter of organizations that have systematically enganged in and covered up such behavior since time immemorial. Perhaps if we can simply buy Obepo a cassock, he will not only be reinstated but also have statues of him built so that future generations may know him also.

The clergy needs to be purged. The fact that the largest Christian denomination, for one, has yet to properly embark upon this mission is a disgrace. Many people happen not to have switches in their heads regulating their beliefs that they can simply turn on and off in response to that fact. Which is part of why the clergy needs so badly to be purged.

I'm a bit lost about the switch part.

What I meant was that we can't just choose to stop holding Christian beliefs as a response to the problems that Christian institutions have. We may lose faith as a response to those problems, but that isn't, typically, voluntary.

Oh, I agree completely. I was talking about this in regards to Catholic sexual ethics the other day. Although it's less a problem than an "issue".

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So you're in the camp with Nathan that religious people are simply too simpleminded to be logically consistent? I was merely giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are not, but they merely view child abuse as a Religious Privilege. I suppose you two could just as easily be correct. Perhaps even a bit of each for certain folks.

When on earth did Nathan say that "religious people are simply too simpleminded to be logically consistent", I ask? It would be insulting himself so I'm legitimately curious.

Never mind the fact the Pope- the Pope himself- has essentially called for the Church to clean up its act and for the Curia to be overhauled, and here you are still insisting that practicing (or not practicing, as most of the people you are accusing do) Catholicism is somehow intrinsically the same thing as calling a pedophile "one of our brothers" and a "victim".

You, once again, have managed to derail a thread so that you can spew invective at the "religious dumbs" and prove to all your inherent superiority over them. Congratulations.

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So you're in the camp with Nathan that religious people are simply too simpleminded to be logically consistent? I was merely giving them the benefit of the doubt that they are not, but they merely view child abuse as a Religious Privilege. I suppose you two could just as easily be correct. Perhaps even a bit of each for certain folks.

When on earth did Nathan say that "religious people are simply too simpleminded to be logically consistent", I ask? It would be insulting himself so I'm legitimately curious.

Never mind the fact the Pope- the Pope himself- has essentially called for the Church to clean up its act and for the Curia to be overhauled, and here you are still insisting that practicing (or not practicing, as most of the people you are accusing do) Catholicism is somehow intrinsically the same thing as calling a pedophile "one of our brothers" and a "victim".

You, once again, have managed to derail a thread so that you can spew invective at the "religious dumbs" and prove to all your inherent superiority over them. Congratulations.

My position in this thread was that religious people mentally brush off the issue of sex abuse as if it were a small, trifling matter, while, at the same time, condemning in the harshest terms, a man who has merely expressed sympathy for the abuser. I maintain that this is a matter of Religious Privilege (only the clergy get the slap on the wrist, or as you put it a "call to clean up their act").  It was indeed Nathan who insisted that the issue was that.

"The clergy needs to be purged. The fact that the largest Christian denomination, for one, has yet to properly embark upon this mission is a disgrace. Many people happen not to have switches in their heads regulating their beliefs that they can simply turn on and off in response to that fact."

If you have an issue with that statement, you must go its author, who is not me.

I... don't have an issue with that statement. I do object to the statement that opebo's critics, who are for some reason apparently all Catholic, are the ones who "brush off the issue of sex abuse".

Then again, not only was opebo  showing "sympathy for the abuser" but lamenting the fact the abuser was punished at all. As Gully pointed out this was guy who made no secret his enthusiasm for NAMBLA, an organisation that I still cannot tell is real or is meant to be very darkly humourous.

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Mostly he was (is?) based in Pattaya rather than Bangkok.

I feel like he was somewhere up north, maybe Phitsanulok...

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Poorest country in the region? I'm sure the Burmese, Cambodians, Laotians, Filipinos, and Indonesians would (if reluctantly) disagree with you.

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Poorest country in the region? I'm sure the Burmese, Cambodians, Laotians, Filipinos, and Indonesians would (if reluctantly) disagree with you.

I think you need to reread my post there.

Oh! Yes I do... still actually need to get out of there, though I'm not terribly optimistic about how they would treat people of my, uh, colour.

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Actually, I meant "get out there" but yeah. I like to think it'd be harmless like in China- people want to take pictures with you!