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Simfan34
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« on: August 30, 2014, 10:14:13 AM »
« edited: August 30, 2014, 10:16:07 AM by Governor Varavour »

The problem is most people in the region- only one in eight, if I recall- have earthquake insurance. Compounded with the general economic climate, this means costs will be very high; I recall reading only $2 billion would be covered by insurers.
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« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2014, 01:00:47 PM »

That sounds sensible. Also, I would like to thank the Senator for introducing this legislation on behalf of his constituents. The winemakers of Napa are critical to our region's economy, with their global exports worth billions, and their fine wines integral to many fine diets and menus.
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« Reply #2 on: September 11, 2014, 05:16:08 PM »
« Edited: September 11, 2014, 05:23:18 PM by Governor Varavour »

I would humbly suggest that one of the Senators move to continue debate. I thought I had thrown out a number before, but apparently not. Given a bit of time- perhaps sometime this weekend, but not right away- I could come up with some sound numbers. In the meanwhile let me just lay out what assumptions I am making and what I'm going to be looking for when trying to find the numbers.

Questions I'll seek to answer:

Q1. What were the direct costs of earthquake, e.g. physical damage, lost goods, etc?
Q1a. What proportion (or how much) of these costs were covered by insurance?
Q1b. Of the uninsured losses, what proportion of these should the government provide compensation?
Q1c. What proportion (or how much) of these costs were to public infrastructures, e.g. roads, if not in this case then in comparable cases?

Q2. What are the projected additional (or indirect) economic losses to the region as a result of the earthquake?
Q2a. What are the specific projections for economic losses per industry or sector, where available?
Q2b. For which sectors would government assistance mitigate or lessen economic losses and to what extent, as suggested by prior cases?
Q2c. What would the costs of government assistance programs (e.g. tourism advertising campaigns, wine fairs) be, as suggested by prior cases?
Q3. What mitigatory policies could be pursued by the Regional Government to reduce damage from future earthquakes and/or the costs thereof (e.g. the ShakeAlert system, Earthquake Insurance, etc)?
Q3a. What would the costs of studying such policies be?
Q4. Maintaining that the federal and regional government should share the costs of relief and recovery, how should these costs be divided?

Now I don't want you all to lose me here, but I am going to put what I think the costs are in a mathematical expression. So let me define the variables, and forgive my gratuitous use of Century Schoolbook.

CPrivate = direct costs of losses for individuals/firms
CGovernment = direct cost of losses for the government
ψ = proportion of direct costs that are uninsured
λ = proportion of private uninsured damages the government would give relief for
L = the total cost of economic assistance programmes (see Q2c, above)
S = the total cost of studies on mitigatory programmes 
φ = the proportion of the total costs to by assumed by the federal government
TE= the expense, in total, of relief aid and other associated schemes
TEφ= the total expense to the federal government

Thus the number you are looking for here is TEφ, which is equal to...

TEφ = φ[(CPrivate × ψ × λ) + CGovernment + L + S]

So once I find the values- if the Senators could find some that would be very helpful, as well- to plug into this I can give you a number. But φ is something you'll have to decide, although we can go off precedent, which I'll also look for. And it goes without saying that the cost assumed by the region would be:

TERegion = (1 - φ)[(CPrivate × ψ × λ) + CGovernment + L + S]

Hope this helps us come closer to an idea of a number here. You might want to think of any specific conditions or things you would want to see done, although I'm obviously perfectly happy to take a nice lump sum back home and allocate it via the Legislative Council. But while I completely trust myself, if I were a Senator, I would, at the very least, throw in a provision mandating that the money that is being spent for certain reasons be spent  on those reasons, such that φ(CPrivate × ψ × λ) must be spent on direct relief for uninsured damages, φ(S)  must be spent on studies and research into mitigatory and preventive programmes and policies, and so forth. So after finding TEφ you'd just break it down and mandate that each thing be spent on what it is intended for...
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2014, 09:31:45 PM »

I probably should just go and find these numbers myself, it would be the sensible thing to do. I will do it tomorrow. The stress means I am to be pilloried by you all if I fail to do so, or at least I should be.
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2014, 02:44:59 AM »

After doing the math and plugging in the numbers, I have calculated $1,154,965,000.00 to be the approximate result of the formula I drew up a while back.

I mean the exact figure I ended up with was $1,154,964,759.23, but what's a little harmless rounding?
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2014, 09:18:08 AM »
« Edited: September 21, 2014, 09:19:51 AM by Governor Varavour »

That might take a while, considering the calculations weren't pretty and I'd need to go back and dig up all the sources...
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« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2014, 05:05:55 PM »

900 million is literally as absolutely max high as I'd be willing to go and would positively like a bit less. I mean, after a while this stuff all adds up, guys.

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Oh, now you care. A trillion dollars for this is good, a trillion dollars for that is fine, but God forbid money would actually be spent on something that wouldn't wreck the economy! Jesus Christ.

There are people made homeless in our region. People whose livelihoods are at stake. This is necessary action.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2014, 08:00:38 PM »
« Edited: September 24, 2014, 08:03:41 PM by Governor Varavour »

I find it funny that Simfan only seems to mind federal spending when it helps people outside of his Region.

Notice the operative word there- help. I have a problem when it is proposed to spend money on causes that would harm the country (i.e. the Power Bill, the Employment Bill, the "Housewife Salary" Bill, etc., etc.).

I am just baffled by the contrast between the ease at which the Administration seems willing to sign on to programs that would cost the country hundreds of billions, if not trillions, and the sudden interest the Administration has taken in fiscal responsibility.

At this juncture I don't know whether to chalk it up to political vindictiveness or sheer... I wouldn't even know what to call it. Ignorant ineptitude? Simplistic sophistry? Daft disinterest? It is as if he does not know anything going on, nor does he care to.

Perhaps he is just tired. I do not recall him being like this as Governor. I hope he can come back to our Region and rest, amongst the rolling California vineyards, where the people are grateful for his action.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2014, 08:17:50 PM »

Yeah, despite me never noticing before yesterday, you're right the pacific has had that name for a long time. I'm glad that it's not a partisan thing anyway. But you're right it's not relevant Tongue

I was thinking of a ratio of around about 7:4 federal:regional, although I'm not sure what that would be.

According to Simfans formula, the fact the government pays less than 100% for people without insurance is factored, but I have no idea what fraction it does pay (the lambda in the formula). So we need to know that before we progress I think.

The share was .6, which I was intending to make conditional on the purchase of earthquake insurance. If you guys can wait a few more days I can give you a full break down.

Keep in mind a fair, albeit not too large, share of the cost are programs designed to mitigate and avert potential economic losses- which mean more tax revenues. I'm under no pretension that this bill "pays for itself" but the costs of not acting would be substantially higher than what the government would be paying here.
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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2014, 12:49:59 PM »


Why?
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2014, 11:09:16 AM »

Shame on those who did not vote!
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