Poor Little White Boy Fights The Power

[Simfan34]

You must be logged in to read this quote.

http://theprincetontory.com/main/checking-my-privilege-character-as-the-basis-of-privilege/

My Snowstalker imitation aside, I quite liked this article. Perhaps its a bit naive, yes, but the main gist- that people's privilege in the aggregate stems not from their race but rather their socioeconomic place in society- is quite worthwhile. It is ludicrous to suggest the daughters of coal miners in West Virginia are somehow equally or even approximately equally privileged as some Upper East Side girls who went to Spence. It of course completely ignores the history of discrimination faced by "whites" such as spics, micks, wobs, etc, to completely act as if they have some sort of unbroken history of "privilege".

I have written about this myself, and the general idea we share is that wealth is the main thing that people like to overlook here in favour of race, gender, or whatnot. While I think his tone is a bit too presumptuous (in assuming that he "merits" the privilege conferred upon him by his ancestor's travails) it's really something that needs to be said and I'm glad this has gotten attention. Perhaps I am a bit jealous it was not me, but even I had an article get some traction once.

[Simfan34]

No-one is arguing that white trash are equally privileged as New York yuppies. The point of the privilege arugment is that there are observable differences in social privilege between gender/racial/ethnic background etc. ceteris paribus.

Yes but for all intents and purposes in this case ceteris paribus doesn't exist. Trying to compare protestant middle class Albanians to Protestant middle class Ethiopians is a fool's errand.

[Simfan34]

There's already a thread about this: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=191933.0

This thread takes the correct approach. Yours is distressing enough as to induce kummerspeck.

[Simfan34]

I didn't realise this was here, but I stand by what I said.

[Simfan34]

Copy-cat thread with dishonest title is superfluous and dishonest.

Frankly both titles engage in excessive hyperbole.  That said, since the two threads are discussing the same thing, topics have been merged.

Can we at least get a compromise title, preferably a creative one?

[Simfan34]

He is correct. It should not be acceptable for anyone to say n. The second, whatever, but gangster culture should not be glorified in any circumstance, it is what is holding black people back- at least far more than "white racism". The third is also correct, if the Israelis became inclined to commit ethnic cleansing they really wouldn't have any problem doing so.

Left-wing SJW grasping is what it is.

[Simfan34]

Anybody who uses the phrases "check your privilege" or "triggers" is just a pathetic victim who will never amount to anything.

Sometimes people deserve the bad things that happen to them. Just for being so pathetic.

That's a bit much. Yes, the phrase "check your privilege" is awful and the usage of "triggers" often verges on the unintentionally (or in some cases intentionally) comic, but it's still a bit much.

[Simfan34]

Are we supposed to find those tweets offensive?

Yes? Well the first one less so; that's just funny because he's one of the stereotypical "not letting white people use the n-word is the real racism" idiots.

Anyone who says "n" is a racist, regardless of their race.

As for the article it was perhaps guilty of forced edgy-ness, the drone bit came off as a bit too much itself. A bit unoriginal and ultimately not the best articulation of this viewpoint (i.e., the rational viewpoint) I have seen, but I am glad this viewpoint is finally being articulated and the fact there are many people in collegiate settings, particularly here, that hold contrary viewpoints is being noticed by the general public.

The lack of sanity of some of these social-justice-warrior types is alarming and should be a national issue. It should be put down before it spreads and festers and the next thing you know we've nationalised everything, have 90% marginal top rates, are calling each other "zir", and are teaching kindergarteners of how to combat "vestigial white male hegemony", and are seriously contemplating banning organised religion. Because I've heard all these proposed by these types. If "excessive bravery" is required to alert the general public to this, so be it.

Anybody who uses the phrases "check your privilege" or "triggers" is just a pathetic victim who will never amount to anything.

Sometimes people deserve the bad things that happen to them. Just for being so pathetic.

That's a bit much. Yes, the phrase "check your privilege" is awful and the usage of "triggers" often verges on the unintentionally (or in some cases intentionally) comic, but it's still a bit much.

I have a penchant for overstating things, to say the least.

As do I at times, but no one ever seems to be able to tell. Perhaps that is the goal.

[Simfan34]

Are we supposed to find those tweets offensive?

Yes? Well the first one less so; that's just funny because he's one of the stereotypical "not letting white people use the n-word is the real racism" idiots.

Anyone who says "n" is a racist, regardless of their race.

Are you a racist for saying it here?

Obviously not, you're using it for a meta-reference. It's kind of similar when blacks use the word. It's not generally intended to be demeaning, when it so often is when used by white people. That's not to say blacks have some kind of exclusive "n-word privileges", it would depend on the context. If a rich black businessman said something like "there are too many ns working for me", he'd probably get in almost as much trouble than if he were white, because in that context it would imply a degree of contempt similar to its historical usage.

What, that makes no sense. I'm not calling anyone it. I'm just listing it. It's demeaning to many, an instance of the "ghetto mentality" that holds black people back in this country. Context is irrelevant. It's a word no one should use. It's self-internalised racism, the colonisation of the mind at work! If Oleseun goes to school, does his homework, gets a good college degree, he is somehow no better than the "n----r" who dropped out and is a bum because they are still black? See, this is colonial logic at work! The self-internalised racism, that it is not the black man's place to be educated, to be well spoken, to be working in a good job! Those things are not "black", you see! Success=white! Do you see it, the colonisation of the mind at work?

The solution to the "problem" of "white privilege" is to extend this privilege to all, not to deprive others of it.

[Simfan34]

Are we supposed to find those tweets offensive?

Yes? Well the first one less so; that's just funny because he's one of the stereotypical "not letting white people use the n-word is the real racism" idiots.

Anyone who says "n" is a racist, regardless of their race.

Are you a racist for saying it here?

Obviously not, you're using it for a meta-reference. It's kind of similar when blacks use the word. It's not generally intended to be demeaning, when it so often is when used by white people. That's not to say blacks have some kind of exclusive "n-word privileges", it would depend on the context. If a rich black businessman said something like "there are too many ns working for me", he'd probably get in almost as much trouble than if he were white, because in that context it would imply a degree of contempt similar to its historical usage.

What, that makes no sense. I'm not calling anyone it. I'm just listing it. It's demeaning to many, an instance of the "ghetto mentality" that holds black people back in this country. Context is irrelevant. It's a word no one should use. It's self-internalised racism, the colonisation of the mind at work! If Oleseun goes to school, does his homework, gets a good college degree, he is somehow no better than the "n----r" who dropped out and is a bum because they are still black? See, this is colonial logic at work! The self-internalised racism, that it is not the black man's place to be educated, to be well spoken, to be working in a good job! Those things are not "black", you see! Success=white! Do you see it, the colonisation of the mind at work?

The solution to the "problem" of "white privilege" is to extend this privilege to all, not to deprive others of it.

The idea behind black usage of the word is to "reclaim" it, to rob it of its oppressive context. That doesn't mean that blacks can't use it in a demeaning way, which is bad, yes.

Yadda yadda yadda. No. That's wrong. That's something poverty-enabling types like to state, you'll see no educated or successful black person say such a thing.

[Simfan34]

Simfan is entirely detached from reality.

Yes, this "ghetto culture is the reason that black people are poor" stuff is classist garbage.

I have for a long time now advocating that people read Ghettonation by Cora Daniels. I don't think anyone actually has, though, and that's unfortunate because this book very clearly shows the effects of the "ghetto mentality", this "self-colonisation" on black people in this country. Stop being a poverty enabler. Any self-respecting person knows that the word "n----r" should not be used at all, the NAACP even "buried" the word in 2007 in a powerful if somewhat silly gesture.

[Simfan34]

The problem is not about baggy pants. The problem is about a self-defeating culture that denigrates success through hard work as "white", demeans education, shouts "f[inks] the police", suffers from broken families, etc.  No sane person would deny that racial oppression is what caused this problem, absolutely. But that doesn't mean racial oppression is what is perpetuating it.

Please, guys, read the book.

[Simfan34]

The problem is not about baggy pants. The problem is about a self-defeating culture that denigrates success through hard work as "white", demeans education, shouts "f[inks] the police", suffers from broken families, etc.  No sane person would deny that racial oppression is what caused this problem, absolutely. But that doesn't mean racial oppression is what is perpetuating it.

Please, guys, read the book.

Right.  Nobody is disagreeing about the history.

I think what you and I are saying is that framing black people as defined totally by racism and victimhood in 2014 is thoroughly unhelpful.  As there is still a major problem of racism among whites, there is a corresponding problem of self-internalized racism among blacks.  Both groups have the agency to do better, even if blacks are in a historical sense the obvious victim.  It's unfair that our country has brutalized and marginalized blacks for hundreds of years, but focusing on the unfairness is not the pathway to improve today.

Precisely. As Malcolm X said, "Whites can help us, but they can’t join us. There can be no black-white unity until there is first some black unity". It is a matter of recognising the issue and possessing the capability to defeat it. Outside can groups can things to help but ultimately the onus is on the affected group- black people.

[Simfan34]

Black people who have tried to catch a cab probably could tell similar stories.

I joke about this, but this is an inane thing to actually believe. Living your life this way, thinking every little thing that doesn't go your way is the fault of racism, is not healthy.