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Simfan34
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« on: July 01, 2012, 08:01:22 PM »
« edited: July 07, 2012, 11:50:09 PM by Simfan34 »

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Simfan34
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« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2012, 09:30:33 PM »
« Edited: July 01, 2012, 09:52:33 PM by Sudoku Love Cavern »

I had anticipated that all three would have multiple proposals from the Administrator and be approved by the Assembly. However I seemed to have overlooked the location.
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« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2012, 10:04:15 PM »
« Edited: July 01, 2012, 10:08:02 PM by Sudoku Love Cavern »

Where on Earth did I get Hartford from?

However I believe the sale of Regional holdings in New York City shall provide a good deal of funding. Would anyone have an Estimate?
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Simfan34
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« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2012, 10:11:21 PM »

My support has not changed. As a New Yorker, I can tell you our lives would be made easier with the capital elsewhere.
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Simfan34
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« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2012, 10:33:10 PM »
« Edited: July 01, 2012, 10:35:07 PM by Sudoku Love Cavern »

Yes. A capital is not necessarily synonymous with the official seat of the government- the Netherlands is perhaps the most well known example. I personally would favor an amendment upon completion.

However one could read the Constitution as making a mere designation as opposed to obligating the government to situate its offices there.
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Simfan34
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« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2012, 10:49:13 AM »
« Edited: July 02, 2012, 10:51:43 AM by Sudoku Love Cavern »

To this bill. What sort of language, Mr. CJO, would allow this bill to be constitutionally valid?

I kind of have a problem officially designating a nonexistent place of our capital. However we could split this into two bills authorizing the planning of the capital and then passing a constitutional amendment.
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Simfan34
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« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2012, 11:52:13 AM »

The amendment is friendly.
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« Reply #7 on: July 05, 2012, 05:43:02 PM »

Debate time has ended. The final text of the bill is as follows:

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Voting will last for 24 hours or until all have voted.
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« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2012, 05:43:44 PM »

AYE
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2012, 06:11:39 PM »

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The admin. Will return to make proposals.
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Simfan34
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2012, 11:36:20 PM »

Unfortunately I'm posting a bit to late, but..

We could build the city and then move the government there via amendment.

So build a city that may or may not become the capital depending on the outcome of the amendment vote?

My support has not changed. As a New Yorker, I can tell you our lives would be made easier with the capital elsewhere.

So move the capital elsewhere, not build an entirely new one.  By the way, Napoleon tried to change the capital to Hartford in his original constitutional proposal, which is likely where Simfan got the idea from.

I move that we scrap this multi multi billion dollar boondoggle and expend the funds instead on improving the lives of the citizens of the Northeast.

Something we can agree on.  Use the money for actual urban development, instead of creating an artificial city-state for our officials.

This attitude is emblematic of a major problem facing our society, which is a fear of commitment. Rep. Winfield and Mr. Cincinattus fears what might happen if we stop running surpluses. We issue bonds, and so what if we run a bit over budget? We need something done, and we are going to get it done. There is a predilection for half-baked patch ups and repairs as opposed to comprehensive replacements and solutions. This extends beyond mere infranstructuture (but it certainly is what turned ours into the embarrassingly backwards systems they are today), into our business and personal lives.

Shall we go to another city in this region, undoubtedly based upon outdated and autosarcogaphic suburban and "urban renewal" models of planning. Shall we jam that unfortunate locale's highways or cul de sacs? Or shall we invest in a city designed for the project of governance, meant for official business? One that will show others the way forward in urban planning? I say we should, and escape this debilitating epidemic of small-mindedness.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2012, 11:48:38 PM »

The bill fails to pass, 3-2.

Guys, I'm disappointed in your inability to think on a larger scale here.
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