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Avelaval
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« on: November 23, 2004, 12:12:39 PM »

A few words about theories.

It is a theory that everything is made up of atoms. This happens to be a theory that we have more evidence for than we have that planes fly.

Einstein's theory of relativity is also just a theory. This again happens to be a theory that we have more evidence for than we do that planes fly.

Quantum theory is again just a theory, but no one in the world (other than a complete moron) would claim it's not true.

So, being a scientific theory doesn't mean that it's somehow less than fact. In all the theories above, some new evidence could arise to cause us to have to rethink the theories.

Saying something should be taught as 'just a theory' misses the entire point of science.
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2004, 12:16:13 PM »

Science is not built to deal with any sort of transcendant beings. It doesn't preclude their existence, but it must make the assumption that any gods that might exist are not involved in scientific experiments.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2004, 04:35:01 PM »



Einstein's theory of relativity is also just a theory. This again happens to be a theory that we have more evidence for than we do that planes fly.

actually, I have seen some new work that shows that it may be slightly off.

Wrong. I'm studying for my masters in physics, and there is NO experimental evidence that Einstein's general theory is wrong on a macroscopic scale. On a microscopic scale, all bets are off because relativity is not a theory of the microscopic.
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« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2004, 05:35:00 PM »

Regarding that Science article...

Dark matter is a hoax. There is a neater explanation which I'm looking into for my doctorial thesis. From what I understand about dark energy, this IS in Einstein's theory. It is a term that is usually ignored because it's unimportant in experiments.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2004, 11:56:29 PM »

No, what I was saying is that human babies are helpless while the vast majority of other animals babies are not. Something is definately different between humans and all other creatures.
In general, mammals are unable to survive without their mother for some period of time. That period of helplessness depends on the species. Humans have a relatively long period of dependency, but our society makes it longer than is necessary for our biology.

True enough, but their is something divine about humans that science is unable to explain. Something very different about humans that is unlike any other animal on the planet.

I see no evidence of the divine in the human race. The ONLY difference between us and any other animal is ability to communicate via abstract symbols (reading, writing).
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« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2004, 11:09:11 AM »

No, what I was saying is that human babies are helpless while the vast majority of other animals babies are not. Something is definately different between humans and all other creatures.
In general, mammals are unable to survive without their mother for some period of time. That period of helplessness depends on the species. Humans have a relatively long period of dependency, but our society makes it longer than is necessary for our biology.

True enough, but their is something divine about humans that science is unable to explain. Something very different about humans that is unlike any other animal on the planet.

I see no evidence of the divine in the human race. The ONLY difference between us and any other animal is ability to communicate via abstract symbols (reading, writing).

I don't see animals developing technology, building advanced houses or using advanced tools, or farming.

Bees build advanced houses, chimps have tools, squirrels plant nuts (farming). Granted these are all somewhat crude examples, but they show that the difference between humans and animals is one of degree, not divinity.
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