"The Left Case Against Open Borders" by Anegla Nagle (user search)
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« on: November 25, 2018, 12:24:03 PM »

Odd.  I don't know of any actual person including any politicians who are in favor of open borders.  The Economist magazine published an article stating that it would add trillions to the world economy, but their argument was as a 'thought piece.'

This was addressed in the article:

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The 'no human is illegal' people are fringe.  Right wingers trying to claim that fringe groups on the left represent the mainstream left is a cynical game of the right.

Any publication that willingly embraces, without comment or disclaimer, such a reduction to the absurd has proved itself a far worse source than any of the commenters here.
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« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2018, 05:08:52 PM »

This is one of the things that I actually do somewhat agree with Trump on, and I'm not afraid to say it as someone who usually cannot stand him.

While the issue of immigration is much smaller than it is made out to be, I don't see a problem with addressing concerns that people are crossing into the country illegally. I've long supported legal immigration while better enforcing the border to stop more undocumented immigrants from coming in.

As for undocumented immigrants who are already in the country, that's a tougher question. The best solution to the problem I can see is to provide a path to citizenship. However, undocumented immigrants who have committed violent crimes should be deported. This might upset those on the right who see this as "amnesty", but simply rounding up every undocumented immigrant who has lived in the country for years is impractical, and the money used to do that has better uses.

Respectfully, I think you should re-think your wording here. Trump's "position" on the border is to cater to racism and xenophobia for political capital, nothing more.

There are very real issues related to immigration that do need to be publicly addressed and solved (or solutions will emerge that will not be good for anyone), including: employers abusing illegal labor (and the nasty realities of some major sectors of our economy, including food production), the strong strain of xenophobia in our culture, our *need* for immigration, coming demographic shifts and how we are going to handle them, how to address the needs of our fellow human beings in the Western Hemisphere and elsewhere, how to address climate-driven mass migration, and ultimately what sort of society do we want to have here in the US (assuming that the States continue to be United) and how do we make it happen.

Republicans and Trump address none of this. They simply fan flames and hope that when everything has burned down, there will magically be a replica of the house from Leave It To Beaver standing amidst the rubble.
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