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Bono
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« on: May 15, 2005, 04:42:05 AM »
« edited: May 15, 2005, 06:36:22 AM by Bono »

Facts about Sweden
1. No new net jobs have been produced in the Swedish private sector since 1950.

2. "None of top 50 companies on the Stockholm stock exchange has been started since 1970."

3. "...well over 1 million people out of a work force of around four million did not work in 2003 but lived on various kinds of public welfare programs, such as, pre-pension schemes, unemployment benefits, sick-leave programs, etc."

4. "Sweden has dropped from fourth to 14th place in 2002 among the OECD countries (i.e., affluent industrialized countries) in terms of GDP per capita since 1970."

Here is a more complete summary. Here is the paper itself. Here is Nils Karlson, the author of the relevant essay. Here is some debate on whether Sweden is richer than Mississippi and Alabama. Admittedly Sweden has a higher quality of public goods and offers more leisure time.

My take: I'm willing to take the Swedish model seriously.People say Stocholm is lovely. That being said, how attractive will this model remain when it offers only half of the per capita income of the United States?

This is a real question, not a rhetorical one. On one hand, freer societies will reap especially high benefits in an era of rapid technological change. On the other hand, the innovations of the United States, and other countries, indirectly subsidize Swedish government spending.
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Bono
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« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2005, 07:34:12 AM »


Those who encourage this type of economic and social liberalism have no idea of the road to hell that they are paving.

Good lord man, you are waxing hyperbolic!  Even if Bono's dubious claims are true (which they are not - see my post above), the fictional Sweden his right wing source describes is still very far from 'hell'!  In fact I don't see how anyone could dispute that it is preferable to the US for most of the working class.

Very clever, becuasse I said "Will be", not is.
Distorting words and attacking sources are the arguments of the truly desperate.
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Bono
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« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2005, 11:28:28 AM »

Yay another thread that allows the same group of people to have another hackneyed debate about the same f***king thing (which also allows them to claim that country x is inferior).

None of you are even trying to be objective, none of you are even bothering to compare like with like, all of you are cherry picking whatever statistics prop up you're arguements, most of you then proceed to take that out of context and spin it around for all it's worth... etc. etc. etc.

The essential difference is perspective.  Bono and company evaluate an economy based on its overall performance and either disregard or applaud that the benefits that flow to the owning class.  I'm just making the point that their priorities have little to do with the interests of the majority of the population.  Any reasonable person can see that the bottom 80% of society will be far better off in Sweden.

You are the living proff Hans-Herman Hoppe is right.
People who live shallow lifestyles can't think long term.
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Bono
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« Reply #3 on: June 08, 2005, 04:30:33 PM »

social liberalism have no idea of the road to hell that they are paving.
Sweden is not complete social liberal. They have illegalized prostitution and possibly will do same to porn. And smoking is illegal almost everywhere. it's a fairly authoritarian society.

I wonder what Gustaf would think about this thread?
Well, I think that it is utterly silly. The "sourses" presented are highly tendensious just like the sourses Bono used last time he posted a "Sweden is Hell"-tread.  Give me a less biased sourse and I wouldn't mind discussing, but these..... Roll Eyes

I posted a Sweden is hell thread?
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