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[Akno21]

Could all those who say the Dems need a new name please show specific examples right here of people who registered with the Dems not knowing about other parties, and then didn't change. If they originally go with us, but then immediatly change after learning more, that is ok, and doesn't count for purposes here.

[Akno21]

I can't think of any of that type offhand, but there are many times when a person registered with the AFDNC and then switched when another member told him about other parties (if you want to see specific examples, I'm sure I could dig some up).  It's not really fair to force the other parties to have to actively tell every new member about the other parties while the AFDNC just gets to sit back and watch members come in, occasionally getting diverted through finding out that other parties do, in fact, exist.

Well said.

Also, Akno knows fully well that it would take enormous time and effort to go through all those old registrations to find who are activeand who are not. It's an obvious fact. The Democrats have almost no candidates to run, since they rely so heavily as a party on inactive voters.

You've got a point. However, it seems as if the center's biggest talking point is that we get unlimited new voters, but it would be helpful to find evidence of those voters.

Also, keep in mind, there are a lot of people who are left-wing, but not radical-liberal on both social and economic values.

[Akno21]

Keep in mind that even if you don't post on this board, you can get to know the candidates and their views from other places on the forum, since most of us post all over the place.

[Akno21]

And now, the same thing for the Republicans...

Very Well.

9iron (MI) - Active elsewhere; Can't remember when he last did something in here.

AuH2O (VA) - Active elsewhere; Can't remember when he last did something in here.

Chiahead (PA) - Last fantasy post Dec 12th; Barely active elsewhere.

Dazzleman (CT) - Active elsewhere; Can't remember when he last did something in here.

Erc (NY) - Active elsewhere; Can't remember when he last did something in here.

JJ (PA) - Whilst being a brilliant, active poster elsewhere, he is inactive in here.

Lester Maddox (GA) - Last active Dec 20th; Only a few posts when he was here (grand total of 36)

Moorein08 (ID) - Last active Dec 11th; Only a few posts when he was here (grand total of 21)

Mr Fresh (ID) - Was this guy resurrected simply to vote? I think so.

ncjake (FL) - Last active Oct 29th; Sole fantasy contribution was to register.

NHPolitico (NH) - Rather inactive since the beginning of December; Its been a while since he was active here.

Rococo04 (OH) - Last post on Dec 14th; Personally, I don't remember this guy that much.

Sulfur (NH) - Last 2 posts: Jan 8th, Nov 17th; Was actually active here when he was posting.

Wiseguy (FL) - Total of 7 fantasy posts since registering on Dec 14th, though not very active elsewhere.

Thats 9 totally inactive out of 27 registered Republicans. There's probably about the same number right now since MHS2002 and CheeseWhiz have moved to other parties, and the Republicans probably have picked up a few registrants.

So, here's my conclusion:

The two major parties translating into Atlasia will have a third of its membership that is deadwood.

At the convention at the end of the month I will call upon the AFRNC to vote to expell these inactive party members from the AFRNC and I call on the AFDNC to do the same. If these "deadwood" members feel the need to return to fantasy politics than they may re-register but until then they should not be a part of a fantasy party.

Geez. We don't need to be burning inactive people at the stake Colin, do we?

I wouldn't mind that when we have the new constitution, it changes the elimination from the voter rolls to one election missed, and not 2.

[Akno21]

Geez. We don't need to be burning inactive people at the stake Colin, do we?

I wouldn't mind that when we have the new constitution, it changes the elimination from the voter rolls to one election missed, and not 2.

I never said anything about burning them on the stake but wouldn't you rather see discussion like this ended? If we expel these people from our respective parties we wouldn't have to hear everyone complain that we have all these pocket votes, or "deadwood" voters, or inactives, in our parties.

It was an expression.

Once voters are off the rolls, they are out the the parties, and I support changing the number of missed elections to be off the rolls to 1, instead of 2.

[Akno21]

And now, the same thing for the Republicans...

Very Well.

9iron (MI) - Active elsewhere; Can't remember when he last did something in here.

AuH2O (VA) - Active elsewhere; Can't remember when he last did something in here.

Chiahead (PA) - Last fantasy post Dec 12th; Barely active elsewhere.

Dazzleman (CT) - Active elsewhere; Can't remember when he last did something in here.

Erc (NY) - Active elsewhere; Can't remember when he last did something in here.

JJ (PA) - Whilst being a brilliant, active poster elsewhere, he is inactive in here.

Lester Maddox (GA) - Last active Dec 20th; Only a few posts when he was here (grand total of 36)

Moorein08 (ID) - Last active Dec 11th; Only a few posts when he was here (grand total of 21)

Mr Fresh (ID) - Was this guy resurrected simply to vote? I think so.

ncjake (FL) - Last active Oct 29th; Sole fantasy contribution was to register.

NHPolitico (NH) - Rather inactive since the beginning of December; Its been a while since he was active here.

Rococo04 (OH) - Last post on Dec 14th; Personally, I don't remember this guy that much.

Sulfur (NH) - Last 2 posts: Jan 8th, Nov 17th; Was actually active here when he was posting.

Wiseguy (FL) - Total of 7 fantasy posts since registering on Dec 14th, though not very active elsewhere.

Thats 9 totally inactive out of 27 registered Republicans. There's probably about the same number right now since MHS2002 and CheeseWhiz have moved to other parties, and the Republicans probably have picked up a few registrants.

So, here's my conclusion:

The two major parties translating into Atlasia will have a third of its membership that is deadwood.

At the convention at the end of the month I will call upon the AFRNC to vote to expell these inactive party members from the AFRNC and I call on the AFDNC to do the same. If these "deadwood" members feel the need to return to fantasy politics than they may re-register but until then they should not be a part of a fantasy party.

Geez. We don't need to be burning inactive people at the stake Colin, do we?

I wouldn't mind that when we have the new constitution, it changes the elimination from the voter rolls to one election missed, and not 2.

No burning at the stake required, Akno, but we do want some action so Tomatosouping doesn't become a big problem again.

I think my plan of reducing the number of missed elections to 1 would do more than simply kicking them out of parties.

[Akno21]

Geez. We don't need to be burning inactive people at the stake Colin, do we?

I wouldn't mind that when we have the new constitution, it changes the elimination from the voter rolls to one election missed, and not 2.

I never said anything about burning them on the stake but wouldn't you rather see discussion like this ended? If we expel these people from our respective parties we wouldn't have to hear everyone complain that we have all these pocket votes, or "deadwood" voters, or inactives, in our parties.

It was an expression.

Once voters are off the rolls, they are out the the parties, and I support changing the number of missed elections to be off the rolls to 1, instead of 2.

I would support this as well.

Hopefully the delegates will take note

[Akno21]

Geez. We don't need to be burning inactive people at the stake Colin, do we?

I wouldn't mind that when we have the new constitution, it changes the elimination from the voter rolls to one election missed, and not 2.

I never said anything about burning them on the stake but wouldn't you rather see discussion like this ended? If we expel these people from our respective parties we wouldn't have to hear everyone complain that we have all these pocket votes, or "deadwood" voters, or inactives, in our parties.

It was an expression.

Once voters are off the rolls, they are out the the parties, and I support changing the number of missed elections to be off the rolls to 1, instead of 2.

I would support this as well.

Hopefully the delegates will take note

I will propose your idea Akno. 

Thank you, Jake.

[Akno21]

I oppose that, anyone might miss an election for some reason or another.

Gabu, you have a point, but the AFDNC hasn't really admitted to having any problems - that's why people keep attacking them.

We admit that a member did something inexcusable and flat out wrong.

The party has a whole didn't do anything wrong.

[Akno21]

I oppose that, anyone might miss an election for some reason or another.

Gabu, you have a point, but the AFDNC hasn't really admitted to having any problems - that's why people keep attacking them.

The whole GirlGoneWild thing is also overblown, and used to taint people who had no assosciation with it, as Gabu has said.

But people knew and didn't say anything. If we were to listen to people like yourself and Fritz and not point out the fact that GirlGoneWild had suspicious activities on the forum, an illegal ballot would have been counted.

Off topic - Will you debate Mike Naso? If so, when?

Yes, I will debate Naso. Whenever he wants to.

Who knew and didn't say anything? As far as I know, no one.

Maybe you didn't know anything but I know of atleast two that knew

Which two?

[Akno21]

This is getting to be like Vietnam was for the last real election, an old issue that both sides feel strongly about and wounded from.

[Akno21]

Alcon and Harry were both informed of it by IrishDem, and immediately told him that they would reveal it if he didn't. He did then reveal it publically. So I don't see how you can hold that against them.

So again, I just don't see what they did wrong.

There were people who knew about it earlier than that and Akno has been lying about not knowing about this before IrishDem's announcement.

I did not know, I had heard a rumor. There is a big difference there, Phil.