You on the Chad Centrist political compass

[afleitch]

A. A healthy democracy should immediately take action against all undemocratic institutions within it that seek to undermine it. Either dissolution or monitoring.

B. Not all adults should have the vote. (when you retire from work, you should have your right to vote retired too.)

C. Cancelling business debt is patron politics at it's worst. If a business fails, then the business was destined to fail.

D. Income Tax is theft (tax excess consumption; of not just goods, but also assets such as property)

E. Abortion is Healthcare.

F. Equal Marriage for Queer Throuples.

G. Nationalise all providers of a public service.

H. The State should provide monetary and material essentials to allow all people to live and to choose to work or not work but undertake any other vocation.

[afleitch]

B. Not all adults should have the vote. (when you retire from work, you should have your right to vote retired too.)

So someone’s worthiness in society only depends on whether or not they have a job?

I'm hoping Andrew will elaborate on this too. I've run into this position before, usually advocated for in extremely crass terms (either what you're saying or "old people are a structurally conservative group of voters and people who disagree with me shouldn't vote"), but I trust him to have an at least somewhat sounder rationale for it.

It's less that older voters are conservative (and certainly not economically conservative); in some nations (UK) they have become frightfully monolithic to the point at which genuine ebbs and flows of public opinion in voters of working age in response to policy/economic shifts don't impact on the electoral outcome. And they don't impact because older voters are often protected from the effect on the basis of benefits or sizable under taxed assets.

It's a flippant response (because I don't think I actually hold views in that quadrant!) but I do think something has to be done in terms of the structure of decision making and voting. Particularly on constitutional matters. I am generally in favour of more policy referenda that could be restricted to different demographic groups that it effects. And that would include restricting younger voters in some matters too.

[afleitch]

B. Not all adults should have the vote. (when you retire from work, you should have your right to vote retired too.)

So someone’s worthiness in society only depends on whether or not they have a job?

I'm hoping Andrew will elaborate on this too. I've run into this position before, usually advocated for in extremely crass terms (either what you're saying or "old people are a structurally conservative group of voters and people who disagree with me shouldn't vote"), but I trust him to have an at least somewhat sounder rationale for it.

It's less that older voters are conservative (and certainly not economically conservative); in some nations (UK) they have become frightfully monolithic to the point at which genuine ebbs and flows of public opinion in voters of working age in response to policy/economic shifts don't impact on the electoral outcome. And they don't impact because older voters are often protected from the effect on the basis of benefits or sizable under taxed assets.

It's a flippant response (because I don't think I actually hold views in that quadrant!) but I do think something has to be done in terms of the structure of decision making and voting. Particularly on constitutional matters. I am generally in favour of more policy referenda that could be restricted to different demographic groups that it effects. And that would include restricting younger voters in some matters too.

Honestly, this seems like first and foremost the product of a breakdown in intergenerational communication across society. Which is a serious problem in all areas of life, and I agree we need policies to counteract it.

Responding to social problems by disenfranchising people is utterly morally unconscionable, however. Everyone deserves a say in the course of their own society, even if you don't like their opinion on the matter. Even if you have objectively correct reasons to think their opinion is wrongheaded. If you don't like how people vote, you change society so that they vote better - same with people who have issues with "low-education" voters, the only legitimate solution to that is to improve education.

Again, it's not an enforceable viewpoint; it's not something I'm personally committed in any way to because it's extremely difficult to manage and it doesn't haunt me as a concern. It's a hypothetical placeholder for that part of the quadrant. But it's in the same 'space' if you will as putting minority rights to a public ballot. It's great Ireland and Australia voted for Equal Marriage...but also jarring it was in the hands of straights to vote it into law. Or vote it down.

Given this is Atlas, I expected more pushback on the throuples pitch