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afleitch
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« on: February 05, 2018, 03:39:19 PM »

why should humans not rebel against God? Is it wrong to rebel against Kim Jong Un? Or Hitler?

I'm not saying God is evil. But if God is really a being with the ability to watch you for your whole life, judge every one of your actions, and then condemn you if they aren't what he likes, then why should you support that? It's like worshiping totalitarianism.

We may have total God, or total Emptiness. Why does the latter not merit revolt?

Because there was nothing before I existed as far as 'I' was concerned. Nothingness, oblivion, whatever you want to call it was far less imposing than life or a god-overseen afterlife.
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2018, 03:22:14 PM »

More unfathomable. I don't understand why a deity sufficiently powerful to create the universe and all its laws would be so human and petty to demand worship. If God does exist, the idea of them having a personality comprehensible to a human being, let alone feeling insecure due to a lack of worship, seems unrealistic.

Why are you, a finite human so certain that an infinite being would or wouldn't act a certain way?

Children sometimes have trouble understanding why their parents do what they do simply because they lack the knowledge and their parents are operating at a different level. The gap between an omnipotent, omniscient being and finite humanity dwarfs the gap between parent and child.

Due to that gap in knowledge, I don't think you can posit an omnipotent, omniscient being and deduce much about their character, at least not without additional information. Christians, Muslims etc have the benefit of God revealing his character through religious texts, but you presumably don't have that luxury.

William Lane Craig had a good point about this in one of his podcasts.  He was discussing the problem of evil, but it also applies to this; atheists have a heavy burden of proof to say that any action of God is morally wrong or unjustifiable because they would have to exhaustively rule out every conceivable objection and rule out the existence of unknown factors (which would obviously be applicable when we're talking about an omnipotent God) in order to make their case.  

Nonetheless, this isn't to say that it's a difficult question on an emotional level.  Scripture gives some pretty clear guideposts as to what a lot of the reason is for hell and for salvation being the way it is, but it is perfectly understandable why we as humans find these sayings hard.  Luther understood the scriptures better than just about any major Christian figure and he knew that this was a challenge - but as with many Biblical issues, faith is required on our end.

Why should I trust a figure who apparently, like living under Adolf Hitler of Joseph Stalin, watch me every minute of my life, just waiting for me to commit thoughtcrime?


Pascal's Wager is a good place to start.  If you believe Christianity is factually true (and there are many reasons for doing so - just read a book by Frank Turek or J Warner Wallace to see the evidence), then it has implications.  You're better off trusting God then guaranteeing yourself a spot in hell. 

You do realise that regurgitating Turek, Lane Craig etc is...never mind.
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