Which one is in hell and which is in heaven?

[afleitch]

Neither Falwell nor Haring are in either of those places

Of course not, for the dead sleep until the Second Coming.  More seriously, I don't believe the afterlife exists within linear time, hence it doesn't make sense to talk of someone being in Heaven or Sheol at this very moment.

I know that you are UU and perhaps you don't believe in an eternal hell. If linear time is an illusion does this mean that Hell can't by definition be eternal and by the same token neither can Heaven?

I believe that the Divine is not limited to linear time but exists outside it.  Hence, for example in the Harrowing of Hell, I believe that Christ freed all the dead, both those who within linear time died before the crucifixion as well as those of who died afterward.

It's not really biblical though, the harrowing so it's not doctrinal.

[afleitch]

That 'Jesus is the messiah' is only relevant if the Jews-as-chosen-people narrative and their relationship with their god has any meaning to you. To those it should matter most, the Jews, well he doesn't fulfill the conditions. The Jews as a people have suffered probably more than most for maintaining that stance. Therefore the claims that Jesus fulfills a prophecy and that that prophecy has any bearing on anyone else is only strong if you already argue for it. I happen to think Celtic are the best football team in the world but people will contend otherwise and others don't care about football so such arguments don't even matter.