The Iron Throne, the V ASOIAF Game (Sign Up - Rules Thread) (Turn Open)

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I was right in my predictions for the wrong reasons. If I'd suspected Euron would go all in on the Lannisters I wouldn't have called him safe either.


Is Oberyn's army really still in Bronzegate? The writeup made it sound like it was now in the Reach. If it IS in the Reach, is that the only army facing off with mine near Brightwater Keep or was there a second Targaryen army there as well?

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I'm not exactly leaping for joy at the prospect of taking over as sole Team Tommen player; I'm more than willing to do it if need be, but the interests of House Lannister and House Tarly aren't always going to be the same and it'd feel...wrong to not have a Lannister player. I suppose I set it up by getting myself named Hand, but I don't view the situation as ideal.

And why exactly (in-game) would Lysa Arryn be getting control of the Riverlands? It's not like Catelyn has DIED; she and her children are still the rulers of Riverrun. The Valelords have reasons for putting up with Lysa's insanity. But the Riverlanders? Not a chance they willingly put themselves under her yoke. I'd like that idea explained more thoroughly.

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I mean come on:

Me: "Well, I have my 25,000 army + the Dorne army as I as the son of Elia Martell, I just landed in Oldtown in order to help you win the Reach, you know the area where you are struggling against Randyl Tarly and that the only thing that can make you win is our army."

Hightower: "Oh no, I think it is a bad idea, let's fight you and the Tarlys at the same time because this is so rationale to do that, let's make the Hightower great again"


I mean, I'm not a whiner so I won't make a scandal about that, but I mean, X getting the Riverland army with a free pass (which I support because I don't want to complicate things) should be more difficult for him than me getting the support of the Hightowers considering the recent events.

Not really, Catelyn is completely discredited and Lysa is the natural rallying point for the RiverLords of the remaining characters as you yourself agreed less than 24 hours ago  

Aegon is (like Lumine said) a complete unknown who can't just realistically expect to just magically win over everyone.  For all we know, he could easily be some smallfolk being passed off as a Targaryen and everyone thinks Aegon is dead.  If it's as common sense as you say, why not offer the Hightowers something for their loyalty

Unlike Aegon, Lysa has a strong, bloodline-based connection to the Riverlands (which is more than anyone else can say ).  With Catelyn done with politics, it'd go to Lysa by Westrosi law.  OTOH, you're kind of just saying you should get the Hightowers' loyalty because you landed there.  No offense, but I'm pretty sure Lysa objectively has a much stronger claim to The RiverLords loyalty than Aegon does to House Hightower's loyalty.

Catelyn is done with politics, but I can't imagine ANY circumstance where that'd mean she was giving up her (and thus her children's) claims to Riverrun. Besides that, the "natural rallying point of the Riverlords" isn't going to be Lysa (an at least half-mad woman who has been away for decades) it'd be the Blackfish (who is present, well-respected, and male). The question really is "why would the Blackfish obey his craaaazy niece's orders without question?"

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I mean come on:

Me: "Well, I have my 25,000 army + the Dorne army as I as the son of Elia Martell, I just landed in Oldtown in order to help you win the Reach, you know the area where you are struggling against Randyl Tarly and that the only thing that can make you win is our army."

Hightower: "Oh no, I think it is a bad idea, let's fight you and the Tarlys at the same time because this is so rationale to do that, let's make the Hightower great again"


I mean, I'm not a whiner so I won't make a scandal about that, but I mean, X getting the Riverland army with a free pass (which I support because I don't want to complicate things) should be more difficult for him than me getting the support of the Hightowers considering the recent events.

Not really, Catelyn is completely discredited and Lysa is the natural rallying point for the RiverLords of the remaining characters as you yourself agreed less than 24 hours ago  

Aegon is (like Lumine said) a complete unknown who can't just realistically expect to just magically win over everyone.  For all we know, he could easily be some smallfolk being passed off as a Targaryen and everyone thinks Aegon is dead.  If it's as common sense as you say, why not offer the Hightowers something for their loyalty

Unlike Aegon, Lysa has a strong, bloodline-based connection to the Riverlands (which is more than anyone else can say ).  With Catelyn done with politics, it'd go to Lysa by Westrosi law.  OTOH, you're kind of just saying you should get the Hightowers' loyalty because you landed there.  No offense, but I'm pretty sure Lysa objectively has a much stronger claim to The RiverLords loyalty than Aegon does to House Hightower's loyalty.

Catelyn decided to stop being Regent of the North. She is still Lady Paramount of the Riverlands, and if she wasn't anymore, her children would become Lord/Lady of the Riverlands before Lysa would have this title.

And I claim the Hightower support because I was recognized as the Heir of Viserys, and that the Hightowers are literally beinfg heavily dependent of the Dorne-Targaryen if they ever want to take control of the Reach, a difficult scenario and impossible without Leonard/my help.

And for the record, you launching a full assault against the targaryen fleet made me laugh so much, so insane, so Lysa

Re: The bolded part: No offense, but some of this just comes across as semantic trolling.  It was pretty obvious that if the North revolted against her, she certainly had no pull left in the Riverlands.  Cat's kids are Starks, not Tullys so Lysa's claim comes before their claim.  It's like how Joffrey would've had no meaningful claim to Casterly Rock after Tywin died even though he's Cersei's son.

- Sounds like it shouldn't be hard for you to win over the Hightowers in negotiations then

- I'll have you know that the naval assault broke the Targaryen fleet.  Viserys attacked the Vale and where is he now?  Dead, that's where.  Any other Targaryens floating around would do well to remember that...

Come on. That's very clearly not how it works. The big Westerosi houses have lasted for thousands of years; they didn't do so by sticking religiously to only those with their name. Luckily, we have an example in the books: should Robert Arryn die, the Vale won't pass to the Arryns of Gulltown just because they have the same name, it'll pass to Harrold Hardyng, who would then officially become Harrold Arryn. Joffrey wouldn't have a claim to the Rock because holding multiple major titles would be difficult to administer and unpopular with the Lords Paramount. If it came to it, Joffrey would keep the IT and Tommen would get the Westerlands. In this case, Bran Stark would be Lord Paramount of the North and Rickon Tully would be named Lord Paramount of the Riverlands. That works with Arya or Sansa as well. Its even well-mentioned that the kids LOOK like Tullys and not Starks.

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I'm unable to focus on the game until tomorrow, but I have every intention to do so once I can.

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Mine will be soon

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Would you mind extending the deadline a day or two?

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Yep; that happened. Sorry about that.