Mandatory mental health screening

[John Dibble]

This both reeks of Big Brother and of socialized medicine, bad socialized medicine at that - I have my qualms with socialized medicine for a variety of reasons, but this just begs to be subject to malpractice, corruption, and so many other problems. WRITE YOUR CONGRESSMAN! The fact that liberals, conservatives, libertarians, socialists, ect. all seem to be agreeing that this is fundamentally wrong should tell you something - this must be stopped.

[John Dibble]

The amendment was not approved.  95-315, with 23 not voting.

I swear, this is why people need to start voting Libertarian. Not a single person here thinks this is a good idea - NOT ONE. Heck, 4/5ths think this is a HORRIBLE idea. Do you want to continue having government in your business like this? This isn't going to change if you continue voting Repubilican or Democrat.

[John Dibble]

Because the patriot act doesn't violate the Constitution in anyway. You know, unlike 99.9% of the other things government does.

The constitution never said about the right to property, so we can be a completely socialistic nation. No?

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

And the kicker -

"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

The right of a person to own property that they have earned is very much implied in the constitution.

[John Dibble]

Anyway, Dibble, the point I was making was the Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing the Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act tramples on privacy. There is a Chinese saying that if you give your enemy an inch they will take a foot.

Well, just don't make statements that aren't factual.

I do think the PATRIOT act is in at least some ways unconstitutional. It definitely needs to be reformed if we want to keep it.