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John Dibble
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« on: July 18, 2005, 07:52:26 AM »


Actually, Satan is a socialist, because the socialist welfare state breeds sloth, decay, and corruption and Satan likes all of those. Wink

I was simply praising the great virtues of human innovation, work, and productivity.

No you weren't

Seems to me he was.

Wealth is the product of industry, ambition, character, and untiring effort.

Al, I don't see how this is at all worshipping money, as you assert. Nowhere here did Philip say that money is the thing you should pursue in life. I take this as him saying 'having these positive traits will have the end result of a better, more prosperous life'. Though I don't know if he meant this, I believe that having such traits also lead to having great emotional and spiritual wealth - they often lead to a sense of accomplishment and self-worth that might not otherwise be attained.

Also, nowhere did Philip say anything about what to do with one's hard earned wealth. He didn't say you should horde it or that it could buy happiness or anything of the sort. You never know, if he was wealthy perhaps he'd do something very benevolent with whatever excess he had. I'm certainly very much a capitalist, and yes I'd like to be rich, but I'd live by the words of a very famous capitalist with any excess I had:

"Surplus wealth is a sacred trust which its possessor is bound to administer in his lifetime for the good of the community." - Andrew Carnegie

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"There is no class so pitiably wretched as that which possesses money and nothing else." - Andrew Carnegie

Being a capitalist doesn't by any means make a person an uncaring, heartless bastard. I think you are reading far too much into what Philip has said - you simply hold a differing philosophy and I believe that's clounding up your judgement and thusly your interpretation of what he said.
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John Dibble
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« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2005, 06:43:10 AM »

Al, I don't see how this is at all worshipping money, as you assert.

Praising money is worshipping money. You cannot serve both God and Money.

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So? Missing the point of my complaint about what he said entirely.

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Nothing to do with a "philosophy" at all

1. Nowhere did he praise money either - he simply stated that wealth can be attained through "industry, ambition, character, and untiring effort." Seems to me that instead he was praising those things and noting that because those things are good they result in the reward of attaining wealth. If you disagree, point out where he said that "Money is great, we should all praise the virtue of money and serve it!".

2. Praising something does not mean worshipping it - don't be dumb, you're smarter than that. Does praising a child for doing good in school mean you worship the child? No. Praise != worship. Further, liking money isn't worshipping it either - I like money, I like having lots of extra money, and I like earning money, but that by no means makes me a servant of money. I realize there are more important things than money, but does that mean I should be ashamed of a desire to attain it? Heck no!

3. It has everything to do with your philosophy.
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John Dibble
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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2005, 07:20:59 AM »

1. He did not say "can be", he said "is"; the impression I got from reading some of his posts in this thread and some other things he's posted about this kinda stuff before, is that he's obsessed with money, wealth and the desire to get more and more and more of it.
He's free to think that, but I'd rather he didn't have the cheek to claim that his money lust is at all consistent with Christian teachings.

I get no such impression. Nowhere have I ever gotten the impression that he thinks money is the most important thing in life. He's a capitalist, but that by no means makes him a money worshipper.

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Wanting more than one deserves is greed. Wanting what one has earned rightfully is not.

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Your religion is part of your philosophy.
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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2005, 07:58:42 AM »


I don't think there's really more than one definition here.

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Depends what you mean by "earned rightfully". It isn't greedy to want enough money to live a decent existance or whatever, but to want more money for the sake of making more money, because you want to be rich or whatever, is clearly greedy, even if you think your somehow entitled to it.
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You earn money rightfully by your labor. You do not earn it rightfully by stealing, being a con-artist, or the various other unscrupulous ways of attaining it. If you desire to attain money through honest means then it isn't greed.
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