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John Dibble
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« on: September 23, 2011, 09:05:22 AM »

Of course the headline is dead wrong and you are reading selectively.

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After a meeting with Pope and her attorney, the school rescinded the two-day suspension so Dakota would be allowed to play in an upcoming football game.

“They’ve righted all the wrongs,” said Matt Krause, an attorney with the Liberty Counsel. “This should have no lasting effect on his academic or personal record going forward.”

Pope contacted the Liberty Counsel immediately after her son was punished.

“I told the school that he should never have been suspended for exercising his Constitutional rights,” Krause told Fox News Radio. “The principal is sincere in trying to do the right thing and hopefully they will tell the teacher, ‘Do not do that anymore.’ He won’t be pushing his agenda.”
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In other words this was primarily due to one teacher, not the school itself, and the punishment was rescinded accordingly since he didn't do anything against the rules.
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2011, 01:58:34 PM »

mark my words:  it won't be long before it will unlawful to publically express the view that homosexuality is a sin

In the US? You'd have to repeal the First Amendment to do that. Given that neo-Nazis and the KKK have been able to spew their bile in public for as long as they have, I find such a worry to be without any rational basis.
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2011, 04:28:02 PM »

Of course the headline is dead wrong and you are reading selectively.

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After a meeting with Pope and her attorney, the school rescinded the two-day suspension so Dakota would be allowed to play in an upcoming football game.

“They’ve righted all the wrongs,” said Matt Krause, an attorney with the Liberty Counsel. “This should have no lasting effect on his academic or personal record going forward.”

Pope contacted the Liberty Counsel immediately after her son was punished.

“I told the school that he should never have been suspended for exercising his Constitutional rights,” Krause told Fox News Radio. “The principal is sincere in trying to do the right thing and hopefully they will tell the teacher, ‘Do not do that anymore.’ He won’t be pushing his agenda.”
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In other words this was primarily due to one teacher, not the school itself, and the punishment was rescinded accordingly since he didn't do anything against the rules.
If the school didn't side with the teacher, how did the student get suspended in the first place?  A teacher can't suspend a student without the administration going along with it.

If I had to guess I would suspect that the teacher wrote the infraction up and someone in admin rubber stamped it without really looking into it trusting the teacher was justified in doing it, and it may be possible the teacher exaggerated the problem when he wrote it up as well given the description of how this teacher reacted to the incident.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2011, 05:20:51 PM »

If I had to guess I would suspect that the teacher wrote the infraction up and someone in admin rubber stamped it without really looking into it trusting the teacher was justified in doing it, and it may be possible the teacher exaggerated the problem when he wrote it up as well given the description of how this teacher reacted to the incident.

 no, i think the teacher sent him down to the office and the vice principle listened to what happened, got the boy's side of the story...scolded the student and determined the punishment

Possibly, but as I said the teacher may have exaggerated the problem, and it's likely an administrator is more likely to believe a teacher than a student. I wouldn't be surprised if the teacher might have picked a particular assistant principle who was friendly to his views, though.

teachers dont have the power to suspend a student...that comes from either the principal or the assistant principal

I'm aware of that - what do you think I meant by "someone in admin"?
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2011, 10:35:33 PM »

In the words of either my uncle's or my Dad's coach from back in the day "Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit!" I'm glad they don't have this sh**t at my school, or I would have been shut up long ago for expressing my views.

I see nothing wrong with this. School is not the place for children to be spouting hate speech.

Jesus Christ. Seriously. My belief that something is wrong qualifies me as hating a certain class of people? Ah yes, I think that two men kissing each other in a sexual way is wrong, that means I hate all homosexuals and think they'll all go to Hell and in fact want them burned at the stake. Yes, that's what it means. "Doing drugs is wrong!" yes, that means I hate every last drug user including my stoner friends. This is bullsh**t.

But doing drugs, like the highly dangerous drug Alcohol, is a choice. On the other hand being gay is not.

It is most certainly a choice to act on it.

So they should just repress their feelings and live a depressing life? Why?

2000 year old book about magic and fairies says so.

People can be born with certain tendencies. Just because I'm born with some pre-disposition to steal sh**t doesn't mean that it suddenly becomes right.

And just because an old book says something is wrong doesn't make it wrong.
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John Dibble
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2011, 08:00:43 AM »

In the words of either my uncle's or my Dad's coach from back in the day "Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit Dammit!" I'm glad they don't have this sh**t at my school, or I would have been shut up long ago for expressing my views.

I see nothing wrong with this. School is not the place for children to be spouting hate speech.

Jesus Christ. Seriously. My belief that something is wrong qualifies me as hating a certain class of people? Ah yes, I think that two men kissing each other in a sexual way is wrong, that means I hate all homosexuals and think they'll all go to Hell and in fact want them burned at the stake. Yes, that's what it means. "Doing drugs is wrong!" yes, that means I hate every last drug user including my stoner friends. This is bullsh**t.

But doing drugs, like the highly dangerous drug Alcohol, is a choice. On the other hand being gay is not.

It is most certainly a choice to act on it.

So they should just repress their feelings and live a depressing life? Why?

2000 year old book about magic and fairies says so.

People can be born with certain tendencies. Just because I'm born with some pre-disposition to steal sh**t doesn't mean that it suddenly becomes right.

And just because an old book says something is wrong doesn't make it wrong.

But people do still have a right to believe it's wrong.

I never said they couldn't. What's your point?
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