S6: Southern Heritage Act (passed)

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And what organization would that be?

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What organization supported slavery and rebelled against other states?

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Last I checked we live in the South, Cuber.

England had slavery for many years. Does flying the Union Jack mean that you support slavery?

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The United Kingdom was formed for the explicit purpose of rejecting Catholicism in the Glorious Revolution.

Does this mean that the Union Jack represses Catholics?

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The symbology of the Union Jack is the union of England (Cross of St. George), Ireland (Cross of St Patrick), and Scotland (the cross of St. Andrew).

I would argue that the Stars and bars, represents the union of Rebel states, one star per state. Nothing more nor less.

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Like it or not, it is a part of our history. I see no reason why we cannot fly the flag and reject slavery. We can walk and chew gum at the same time.

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Not at all. It's a representation of the South as a region. No different than flying, say the flag of Georgia.

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Germany bans private citizens from flying the Nazi flag. We are not Germany, and thank God for that.

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How so?

Is the Union Jack representative of British Catholics?

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Unfortunately the side that doesn't want it flown is tearing down Confederate monuments, digging up Confederate graveyards. The issue isn't that they believe it represents slavery, the issue is that they are trying to remove it entirely from history.

That is wrong. How can we accommodate people that believe that the entire existence of the confederacy is a stain on their personal history, despite the fact that none of them have ever lived under slavery?

Yeah, I get it that some people might be offended, but look at it this way. Irish people were slaves too, Irish people had the entire potato famine where England starved them rather than try to save their lives.

No one living today has been a slave. Do we have a right to be aggrieved for what some of our ancestors may have suffered?

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Many believe that Old Glory is offensive and represents colonial oppression.

Do their feelings warrant taking down the flag?

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Represents 'their' enslavement?

When were they enslaved?

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Thank you. Exactly.

There is nothing in the flag that 'represents' slavery. It is a blue cross saltire with the stars representing the Rebel states. 

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I think the number was something like 3 percent of Southerners at the time owned slaves.

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Given the recent vandalism attacks, I'm going to amend this bill to protect Confederate cemetaries and monuments throughout the south, along with permitting flying the Stars and Bars.

I'm willing to take down explicitly flying it outside of the delegates. To me it's more important to protect the cemetaries and monuments, and the right of people to fly the flag without having people try to sue them for it.

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Ok. Glad to hear that. Not intending to poke the bear here.

Why don't I do that amendment now while I'm here.

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Dip seems ok with that. But yeah, I don't have a problem taking that part out of the bill.

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What about flying it in the delegates? Do you prefer that out or in?

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Yeah, ok.

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There's been a push to remove Confederate cemetaries and to remove their legal protections. Also I see you've left out what's happened with Confederate monuments.

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There's been talk of a German style ban, on the production and sale of the Stars and Bars.

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See above, plus the whole controversy with Nikki Haley.

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Well, I think the laws that are in place are inadequate to protect the cemetaries and the monuments. Hence this bill.

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Nonsense.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/apr/24/new-orleans-takes-down-confederate-monuments

The removal of confederate monuments and the desecration of Confederate graves is a direct threat to the heritage of the South. This bill would ban the removal of both.

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What beliefs precisely are we imposing? That the Confederacy existed? That it represented the union of Rebel States?

I see no issue with flying a flag that is the legitimate historical flag of the region. Six Flags over Texas flies the stars and bars. (along with the Texas republic), etc.

I see no reason why we cannot and should not do the same.  

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Why couldn't we fly both along with Old Glory? It's not like we are limited to just one flag. It is a historical flag of the region.

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You might want to re-read the amended bill then.

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I have no problem restraining local governments from destroying historical monuments and digging up Confederate cemeteries.

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What exactly about the flag symbolizes slavery?

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It's honored today throughout the South in official buildings throughout the South. I see no reason why this chamber of delegates should be any different.

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Given that to you it's a representation of 'racism', Six Flags seems to do just fine with the stars and bars.

The same can be said of the Texas capitol building.

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Again, it's a historical southern flag.

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Then you ought to support flying the Stars and Bars.

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How many historical flags has the South as an entity had?

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The stars represent the individual states of the confederacy. That's why it has as many stars as it does, no different than the 50 stars on Old Glory.

What about the Stars and Bars says, "we support slavery?"

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Do you support UNESCO heritage sites? We do have the power to do exactly this.

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Only three percent of those who were in the South owned slaves. How do you explain the other 97 percent away?

As for White Supremacists, is the Texan capitol building white supremacist? Is Six flags, white supremacist?

It seems pretty clear to me that no, the flag is not 'primarily used by white supremacists'. But rather that the officials in the South honor the flag as a historical flag of the South. Nothing more nor less.

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And what exactly is Old Glory, but a rebellious cause?

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Yes, it does, Nev.

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In real life it has had one. The argument that the South should be represented by the only flag to represent it in it's history, is pretty compelling to me.

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Then why are you here? If you think we will lose, there is no point in debating this.

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Who died and made you King? Many patriots fly the flags. Just because you don't like it isn't a good argument not to do it.

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I'm all for funding museums. However it also means protecting the Civil war battlefields, the cemeteries and the monuments. There is a ton of precedent for the South to protect these things at a regional level.

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Is there another historical flag that represents the South as a collective? No.

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I find it very striking.

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Actually Kentucky and Missouri are on the flag.

You need to bone up on your state history.