The South will rise again.

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Let me explain further.

To me, conservatism is a package deal. Fiscal conservatives support social conservatives, and social conservatives support fiscal conservatives.

I'm happy to support your fiscal agenda, Goldwater. I know how much that means to you personally. I would never go to you and say, "look, Goldwater, you gotta hold back on all that". Hell no. In the environment of today where socialism is everywhere, I'm happy... profoundly happy when I hear some solid principles articulated by someone like you on this issue.

That attitude, to be blunt, is not reciprocated. TM has to figure out which he cares about more. Right now it seems to be identity politics which is warping the party badly.

The evergreen bill... doesn't pass muster just considering fiscal conservativism/libertarianism. I had a long conversation with TM over that via IRC. I worked on it for a couple of hours and then realized that we were better off jettisoning the bill entirely.

I am not looking for ideological purity here. But TM's crusade has gone waayyy to far. I'd like to rein it in before more damage is done, but what can I do about that?

I am not asking you to go 100 percent socon, not the slightest. But I am asking you to take a good hard look, especially at the evergreen bill and ask yourself if that's the kind of bill you think should be the priority of this party to pass.

There are so, so many other things we are doing. Why are we even bothering to consider this? You have ideas, everyone has ideas and wishlists. And the first thing that comes out is a gag order on evergreens' Christmas present. WTF?

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Bless your heart!

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Perhaps I should tell classic that it's all red xs to me

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Indeed. Who's triggering whom here?

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Classic is free to post the PM that I sent to him. I said nothing about the gay mafia.

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3 is insufficiently protective of the citizens of atlasia. 'Filling out a form', is not the same as testing and screening the blood.

This bill will put the citizens of atlasia at risk of infectious diseases by relying upon voluntary compliance.

I look forward to 'Senator' TM's apologies to Atlasia when the tainted blood scandals bankrupt our blood services.

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What's next, TM? Banning me for posting the bible? LOL.

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Ladies and gentlemen, settle down... Gosh, my phone has been ringing off the hook all day today.

I think we've all heard the words of 'Senator' TM, attempting to crush his opposition among the people of Atlasia.

I'm not quite sure what part of 'public servant', escapes 'Senator' TM here. You serve us and not the other way around.

In any case that is not what I'm here for today. I got a letter last night from a concerned citizen. I want to read it to you all.

"Ben, we are worried. We've heard the news about how Atlasia intends to lift sensible restrictions on the blood supply. My husband has an operation coming up next week, and we were wondering if you could point us out to an alternative. We remember what it was like in the 80s with the tainted blood supply, and how horrible it was for the children infected with HIV, to die at such a young age.

I, myself, do not want to lose my husband!

Help me, Ben Kenobi! You're my only hope!

Madam Clara Clayton, Pecos, Texas.

Well, Ma'am, look no further. I have received news that there are over 10k subscribers to the new, private, "Sam Houston" blood services. They are currently negotiating with the Methodist, Baptist and Catholic health care systems throughout the state.

I am going to give my earnest endorsement. They have worked hard to ensure that all of their blood is properly screened before the donors receive the blood.

Atlasia may not be concerned, but the people of Texas, are. Please give them a call. They have offices right here in San Antonio, Dallas, and Houston.

Ensure your family's safety!

God bless you all!

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Wow. Apparently I was 100 percent right about TM. So much for 'opposition'. TM's starting a sh**tstorm that won't stop.

Tm really thinks banning me is the 'final solution'?

If he can't bear principled opposition, I'm not sure why he is here.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wntX-a3jSY

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My vote is more effective as a Laborite than as an indy due to how this game is set up with the parties.

You don't tackle the Empire by yourself.

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Quite happy to have Classic Conservative out at the ranch again.

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Indeed. It really is beautiful country.

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You're always welcome, Haslam.

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As anyone will confirm, we're brothers by another mother. He's a good man, better than me.

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Now that Labor has won the house election, I will be leaving the Labor party.

I will be starting up a new party that is social conservative first, pro life and pro traditional marriage. I think that it's important for everyone in Atlasia to have a voice that represents them, even if they are in the minority and especially in the minority.

I would like to invite all like-minded social conservatives to join the party. I have not yet settled on a name but will post up the platform and the constitution of the party over the next few days as I have time.

Thank you everybody!

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Are you suggesting I'm not a conservative?

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And there we have it. An official unendorsement from the chief of the Federalists. Next time pass a prolife bill first rather than ramming through evergreens crap.

At least now the Feds are out of power again.

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Which explains TM's reaching around the aisle to collaborate with Evergreen? Sir - the Federalists have become Labor.

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Not when there's only one voice being heard.

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The problem was twofold. One - we had just won an election. We could pass stuff without Labor's assistance. There was no need to work to pass their bills because we had our own agenda. If, as you said, the only way to get business done was to work with Labor, then heck, cut a deal do the best you can.

Two, not only did we not cut a deal, we gave away the store. TM knew it was sh**tty legislation and rammed it through anyways. I was left with the choice of endorsing TM, and then fighting on with that albatross, or resigning my campaign and taking the route that you've seen. I had an epiphany when I realized that TM was trying to ram the bill through ASAP and that's when I decided to take a different tack.

This was a bad deal that we did not need to sign.

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If it were power that were my first priority, I'd be the sitting Speaker of the South. Power is not nearly as important as principles. Given that the Federalists no longer believe that traditional marriage is something worth fighting for, and I do, this is a breach that could not be mended.

So I'll fight, tilt the windmills if it may, but I will continue to stand behind a concrete and cohesive conservativism, not this hodgepodge patchwork that is the Federalists.

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Then why did he try to muzzle me? No, we can't 'disagree' on this anymore, PiT. TM crossed a line. What did the party do when it found out that TM was muzzling federalists? Nothing. Not a tinker's damn.

I don't think any one of you believe that what he did was appropriate conduct. However, the fact remains is that there were no consequences for TM. What that tells me is that you're so petrified with offending TM that he can pretty much do whatever he likes.

Sad, but that's the reality.

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Been alone for a long time, Yankee.

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You're already on a 7-3 split.

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You believe that the party should be nothing but a loose coalition of folks who are vaguely to the right of Labor.

How is that working for you, Yankee? Does that suggest that you have a vision? A dream a goal, a purpose?

I have a vision and a dream and a purpose, and I think traditional marriage is something worth fighting for. Adam is laughing not at me, but at you because he knows he's won the argument. When the debate is over how far will we go, not whether, "why are we travelling in this direction", Adam has won without firing a shot.

That's what you're not getting Yankee. You have a 'party' of folks that don't agree on anything. Everytime you bring up goldwater but how often do you go and say, "hey, maybe that's not cool for Ben Kenobi? Never heard that.

Why is goldwater's fiscal conservativism more important than social conservativism? If goldwater wants to join labor because he wants homosexual marriage. let him. Let all of them go. So long as they love homosexual marriage more than they do the Federalists, you will continue to lose. Every election.

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The Federalists will never win on this issue.

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IDK. That sounds pretty gay.

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Then why are you opposed to the conservative party here on Atlasia defending traditional marriage? You keep giving us dire warnings as to what might happen... well it *did* happen, and like I said, it happened anyways, despite endorsing it and supporting evergreens bill. Contrary to your prediction and right in line with mine.

This is not a winning issue for the federalists. Never has, never will be.