Office of Zanas46 - Get out to vote !

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I wish to thank Zanas for the invitation to debate in his office.

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I remember a man who once said the following.

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We have a future. We always have a future, and we will pursue that future without the shackles of the old and the tired and the weak who wish to hold us back from taking that which we desire.

We CAN all have cars. We CAN all have a higher and more prosperous standard of living. We all CAN have a future. Will it be easy? No. But there is hope, there are dreams and we should not let others stand in our way and tell us that no, we do not have a future. You cannot want to go to space in a big-ass rocket ride. You can't have the moonbases and space colonies so long the dream of dreamers and the insane. And you can't drive your automobile because mother Earth said no.

I claim the mantle of President Kennedy who believed in a dream, a dream today that could be accomplished by the diligent effort of Atlasians across the nation. I believe that the people of Atlasia deserve more than to sit in a corner and worry about whether they have offended mother earth. We should be confident to shape the world to suit our needs, not let the world shape us. To dream only small dreams because the big ones are impractical.

So, people, are you going to let an elected official tell you that if you all had a car the world is doomed? Or are you going to get in your car, head to work, pick up lunch and maybe bring flowers home to the wife? I don't know about you - but I know what I will do. And I expect nothing less.

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Oil is the best fuel for an automobile. It is cheap and it is common, and it packs an incredible amount of chemical energy in a small area. All the alternatives are more expensive, and they use resources that are hard to find and uncommon. We hear about 'Peak Oil', but nothing about 'Peak Lathanides'. We hear about using the sun for power, but we don't hear about the fact that you can't run the A/C, or the heater, or you can't go more than 50 miles. A horse would be more effective and faster and reliable than an electric vehicle.

Transit simply isn't sustainable - it requires a robust automobile industry in order to maintain the infrastructure to keep it running. It is an expensive luxury that gives us little bang for the buck. What it does give is transit planners and city planners more control over people as to when and where they go and when. The Automobile is by far the greatest tool for freedom and mobility - which is why when a consumer has an opportunity - they try to purchase a car.

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Man, those grapes sure are sour.

Go ahead, file all the recalls you want.

Maybe next week we can have Zanas' recall petition. Then Seatown again. Then Bacon King II. then Velascos, then Seatown II, then Bacon King III.

Why not file a perpetual recall so that every week the people of the IDS have to vote on whether to keep me?

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The people themselves have spoken that they regard your illegitimate attempts to seize control of the legislature as transparent, offensive, and meritless; but wholly expected given that your party attempted to throw out valid ballots that didn't vote the way you wanted them to.  

But do go on, and reinforce the fact that this is simply a partisan effort to refight lost elections.  Brought to you by the party of Seatown, and Bacon King.

You yourself said that you were not comfortable with 'this method of selecting a legislator', yet you yourself signed a petition to remove a duly elected legislator from his seat. If you didn't agree with the merits of the petition, why did you sign it? I only vote for stuff I agree with, and I vote against for stuff that I disagree. I don't get letters in my boxes from the Federalist officials telling me to vote one way or another. Do you get instructions from your party bosses?

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Yes, I believe the people should have their say. The people of the IDS have spoken and you should accept their decision to keep me on.

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Among whom? Not the people of the IDS. From Labor, yes, which is mere partisanship. If I were Bacon King and I were on your team, you would not be calling for my recall. Everyone argues that they themselves are not partisan, but then they demonstrate the actual reality through their words and actions.

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I consider myself fortunate that the people of the IDS have ajudged me worthy to remain in my duly elected seat.

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How can you say that when Bacon King sued me, when Bacon King initiated recall against me, when seatown attempted to nullify an election, when the Labor party continues to move people into the IDS in an attempt to overwhelm the region?

Since the election loss in November, you have been plotting against the Federalists pretty much non-stop. The answer isn't to say, but to do  - to actually stop plotting.

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I strongly suspect that you would not be so sanguine should the actions you do to others be returned to yourself. Consider that Velasco, and consider whether you want to be associated with the party that has attempted all of these things inside of a month. Is this really what you want to be known as?

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Then why didn't Bacon King inform the legislature and why did he attempt to invalidate the ballots of 12 Atlasian citizens *after* you guys lost an election? We're pretty amenable folks - all he had to do was PM me and I would have been happy to fastrack it.

Simple truth, he wanted to invalidate the ballots, rather than fix the law.

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Absolutely I can.

"They"? Who is "They"? Yes, the Labor party managed to eventually corrall 11. That the recall failed demonstrated that the people of the IDS wanted to keep me on as their legislator.

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Bacon King and the Labor party itself argued here and elsewhere that 'no reason' was the reason for recall. No one except their partisan supporters supported recall.

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Other than the fact that he represented seatown, etc. Actions >>> words. He's been a good soldier for Labor.

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So you admit to plotting. I rest my case. You want to disavow Bacon King and Seatown, then don't collaborate with them. Had Labor walked away from Seatown and Bacon King, no recall would ever have been initiated. Instead, 11 of your people in the IDS signed that petition, binding themselves to his cause. The cause of seatown, the cause of Bacon King and the cause of Labor are one and the same.

You don't like that? Leave the Labor party. Announce how you can no longer collaborate with Bacon King and Seatown. It's up to you, snowball. All I know should I be in your position, I certainly wouldn't be tolerating their nonsense.

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Zanas' signature is on the recall petition. Ergo, he has chosen to involve himself in this mess.

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Using it for frivolity is a waste of everyone's time.

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There wasn't a single non-partisan vote in support of recall. Feel free to continue deceiving yourself though.

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And yet the recall wasn't ended when the purported 'cause' no longer existed. It was simple. It was all about removing a legislator you didn't like and refighting an election loss. And again, you got beat by the people of the IDS.

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And as I said, your cause and his cause are one and the same. I rest my case.

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Given as Labor has attempted to overwhelm the region, overturn a valid election, recall a duly elected legislator and have filed not one, but two court cases against said legislator, it's funny to hear you whining about me 'insulting you'.

Suck it up buttercup.

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Absolutely labor is plotting against me. You yourself have admitted this is so.

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You have a strange definition of half.